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Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
353
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Posted - 2012.10.21 12:48:00 -
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Okay, before you go flying off the handle, just here me out.
I think that 3-4 days before the tournament, CCP should reset all isk, SP, assets. But, during this reset, go back to the previous diminishing returns over 24 hour SP format (or something similar, NOT what we have now). This will accomplish a few things for both the game and upcoming tournament.
1st- The SP cap as it is now is TERRIBLE!! You wanted people to stay competitive and keep playing, yet, if anyone misses a week of playtime there is no possible way to catch up because you can't just sit down for a long grind session to make up for lost SP. (my opinion, but shared by many others)
2- It solves the isk problem. Instantly erases all the transfers from Eve to Dust that were "unintended" (and yes, i did get home to discover ridiculous amounts of isk in my wallet)
3- Fixes the market/mass purchases situation that is causing the all the recent bugs (if, in fact, that is what is causing those bugs)
4 - This isk situation has already placed a black cloud over the upcoming corp tournament, in the sense that "He who can afford the most good stuff wins" could end up being the case. So the reset would accomplis the following:
-Gives everyone a few days to level into HAVs, Dropships, Forge Guns, HMGs, etc. But only a few, so that everyone actually has to organize as a corp and decide who will specialize in what (and who can afford what).
-Corps could actually have some players in the initial matches, while others are leveling, preparing for later rounds
-Finances and battle planning now become strategy, as opposed to "Cost doesn't matter, call in all the Dropships and HAVs you want"
-Starts everyone on "equal" ground, and removes the inevitable complaint of "they spammed dropships or HAVs" or whatever isk-related complaints that will inevitably be leveled at the winners.
-This also means that as the tournament progresses people can grind for more SP when not in corp battles. Basically starting the tournament with militia/lvl 1 stuff in the early rounds, and finishing in a great climactic Proto vs Proto battle for the championship.
Yes, I do know this is biased towards those who will get to participate in the tournament, but I would still be okay with it even if my corp doesn't get in.
Also this is, of course, under the assumption that they can reset only isk, assets, and Sp without erasing our actual corps.
Remember, we've got more wipes coming anyways.
Your thoughts?
EDIT: I'd be especially interested in the opinions of corp leaders hoping to get into the tournament. |
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
262
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Posted - 2012.10.21 12:59:00 -
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hell no |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
353
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:03:00 -
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Okay, care to elaborate? |
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
262
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:06:00 -
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NOPE |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
353
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:07:00 -
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Fair enough |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:10:00 -
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No SP reset are u ******* high
ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is
EDIT: ISK Wipe and give everyone 5-10 mill, Asset wipe to counter all the bs bought |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
353
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:15:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:No SP reset are u ******* high
ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is
I see your point, but that's why i suggested changing the current SP cap system. I fully agree that the current cap is bs and I would gladly sacrifice my current SP for a different, better system. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:16:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:No SP reset are u ******* high
ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is
This. ISK and maybe assets considering the mass purchases people made. But SP? Frakk no. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:20:00 -
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Sake Monster wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:No SP reset are u ******* high
ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is I see your point, but that's why i suggested changing the current SP cap system. I fully agree that the current cap is bs and I would gladly sacrifice my current SP for a different, better system.
sorry buddy i got a social life and work im not quittin those just to nolife a game for a couple days just to grind back SP i already have just to compete in this "tournament"
PS: SP System does need tweakin i agree but no SP wipe |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:13:00 -
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Wipe all Assets, give people 2 million ISK. Also, clear corp banks and put in 10 mil. |
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m621 zma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:18:00 -
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If they reset they should give everyone 'at least' the max SP they potentially could have earned on this build.
I'd also suggest some officer weapons |
m621 zma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:20:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Wipe all Assets, give people 2 million ISK. Also, clear corp banks and put in 10 mil.
Kinda unfair to any corp that had more than 10 mil to start with TBH |
m621 zma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:21:00 -
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m621 zma wrote:If they reset they should give everyone 'at least' the max SP they potentially could have earned on this build.
I'd also suggest some officer weapons
And maybe a backrub? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.21 15:44:00 -
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I still have 990 million ISK. Know what I can do with it? Militia stuff. Its not an issue. Just put in a hotfix for swarm missiles to kill the Dropships, and we're golden. |
MofaceKilla
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.10.21 15:54:00 -
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Can't believe all the negative feedback you're getting on this. If nothing is done I almost hope we don't make it in the tournament Sake, I don't want to be sitting home all weekend to play in a tournament with nothing but frustrations.
I think you guys are forgetting what it was like in the previous system. I don't know about everyone else but I'm at only 2.1 mil SP right now ( haven't had much time to play lately). I work and go to school full time, I'm plenty busy like the rest of you, but with the last system in place 2.1 mil is nothing. Could be done in about a week or 2.
Also I absolutely loved the idea of the tournament starting out even and kinda wack with low level stuff, but by the end everything will be bananas. Sounds cool as hell to me and will give TONS of incentive to play as much as possible. +1 from me Sake good post. |
HEAT SoulRipper
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
45
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:20:00 -
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Not like anyone is going to keep everything anyways come live release. So why not reset and start with a clean slate for those int he tournament?
Isn't the point of a tournament to display one's skill? Even field would do just that, clean slate before start of tournament and we will be able to watch who can have better organized corp's and who has the skill.
This IS a BETA mind you, so none of this will matter much anyways. We're all here to TEST and find issues. That is exactly what we're doing. This isn't for keeps yet. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:23:00 -
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I'm unaffected either way. I only have one point six million in skill points so I do not lose much. What I want is for CCP to release the player market, 'crusader' and 'operator' dropsuits, and finally re-release all three of the MAG tribute dropsuits. Instead of teasing us with the 'Scout' dropsuit. Either way though I am unaffected and so are my wants and needs. I wouldn't mind a wipe, but at the same time if it does not happen that too is fine. |
4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:39:00 -
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HEAT SoulRipper wrote:Not like anyone is going to keep everything anyways come live release. So why not reset and start with a clean slate for those int he tournament?
Isn't the point of a tournament to display one's skill? Even field would do just that, clean slate before start of tournament and we will be able to watch who can have better organized corp's and who has the skill.
This IS a BETA mind you, so none of this will matter much anyways. We're all here to TEST and find issues. That is exactly what we're doing. This isn't for keeps yet.
So how can i be a HMG then, if theres a wipe? |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
353
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:44:00 -
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4447 wrote:HEAT SoulRipper wrote:Not like anyone is going to keep everything anyways come live release. So why not reset and start with a clean slate for those int he tournament?
Isn't the point of a tournament to display one's skill? Even field would do just that, clean slate before start of tournament and we will be able to watch who can have better organized corp's and who has the skill.
This IS a BETA mind you, so none of this will matter much anyways. We're all here to TEST and find issues. That is exactly what we're doing. This isn't for keeps yet. So how can i be a HMG then, if theres a wipe?
That's why i said reset a few days earlier, so we could have time to grind up to lvl 1 stuff before the tourney.
PS i am heavy Hmg too. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:50:00 -
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Yeah no. If they wanted a militia only tourney they would have the power to do it. Instead they gave us time to specialize. You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? (note I'm not one of them, not even close) |
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MofaceKilla
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:52:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week?
Yes. Yes I do |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:55:00 -
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MofaceKilla wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? Yes. Yes I do
You're a democrat?  |
MofaceKilla
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:07:00 -
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Fargen Icehole wrote:MofaceKilla wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? Yes. Yes I do You're a democrat?
Hahaha, how can you tell? |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:16:00 -
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tbh, I'm isk poor, and have very little SP. I'm at a defiinite disadvantage against a lot of players using better gear. But, I'm ok with it. They put in more time, so they earned more SP and isk. I know that in 6months, I'll have more play time under my belt, and it'll be a much more level playing field. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.10.21 18:16:00 -
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This ^ we are like 2 weeks in! Plus what little reward we have from maxing our sp out each week would be gone.
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Tiel Syysch
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.10.21 18:36:00 -
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This would create an unfair advantage in favor of the corps that have huge player counts, giving them more ability to grind a lot of ISK in such a short time to afford things such as expensive skill books and expensive vehicles and expensive not-militia gear.
Give everyone money to use during the tournament if it's such a concern. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.21 21:10:00 -
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YES! Especially with the recent exploit that allowed players to get money from eve.
Last night, we shot down 3 dropships in 1 game. 3!
Good thing they were the worst pilot I've ever seen this build. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
164
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:15:00 -
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No to the SP reset.
What they should do is that each team enters with only their SP levels as they are. ALL ISK and assets to be removed for the duration of the tournament game. Each team will be allocated a set amount of ISK by CCP for the match from which they can fit their loadout. This would allow some balance to be returned yet keep peoples personal SP tree as it is. It would make it interesting to see what areas each corp decides to gamble their ISK allotment.
I'm not sure how easy or hard this would be, but if CCP's intention is just a basic tournament rather than the collection of bitter tears from teams low in funds, then this is what I see as the best solution. |
Vexen Krios
Doomheim
95
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:55:00 -
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Of course im going to follow my corp mates on this one, i mean honestly you wanna see who the best is right? the best is gonna be who has the best gear. So the proto guys win. If we reset everything and go back to the 24hr cap then we can see who the best is in the tournament by starting on even ground. I hold my own in a type 1 suit if im not just messin around like have the past couple of days. but up against anyone in a proto suit im a sittin duck.
I understand not wanting to let go of the ever so precious SP we've been grinding to get. But its gonna be reset anyways. Im like sake i'd give all my sp away just to go back to the sp we were getting before codex. I hate the fact i get one or two matches of 20k sp and then slowly decline to 2k a game just over three days.
This would clear up alot of complaints before they even got started....
"they won cuz they all have proto gear"
"they won because they tanked out the field"
"they won because they had **** ton of dropships"
"they won because they all had billions of isk to fund everything"
"they won because blah blah blah blah...." |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:15:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:No SP reset are u ******* high
ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is
EDIT: ISK Wipe and give everyone 5-10 mill, Asset wipe to counter all the bs bought
If ISK sharing is that much of a bother well go for that solution.
But you can be sure HAV users already stacked 100 of fully fitted HAVs. I wont lie, we did it. Our corp on EVE had a substantial amount of ISK and i didnt have to exploit anything to transfer it apart from clicking "transfer ISK" in singularity.
Yet, we didnt start spamming HAV all around but it was a welcome help for new players buying skillbook and such. |
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