DUST Search - [Request] Wipe all Wallets

Eternal Technique wrote:

Onar Kion wrote:

Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:

Onar Kion wrote:

I don't agree, I have given my dust guy money. Since I can make a few million isk running a level 4 mission. This is how it is going to be at launch, this is how EVE is right now. You have corps suicide gank ships loosing millions of ISK because what they can get out of it is more so they will do it. Tournaments are bought in EVE, they do it before hand, hell some do it right in the chat during the tournament. This is New Eden, be it go or bad.

I love both games.

But a voice in the back of my head makes me feel like Dust is a launch pad to get people to play EVE, since there you can make millions of ISK with out to much trouble, then just give it to your Dust player.

Do you understand the difference in prices in Eve and DUST? Im sure you do cause you play EVE. A corp with even 100million in DUST is crazy, add a Corp with 100 Billion... OK sounds fun.

That is why CCP has said time and time again, they didn't want a Dust Corp, and a EVE Corp. They wanted both players to fit together in New Eden Corps. Not self separating each other.

No im pretty sure you are wrong. CCP wants people to be able to play their game and chose how involved they want to get in the Dust/EVE connection. If you want to hop on and play a couple matches and have fun thats great. But if you want to get more into it and go to null sec, form alliances, etc, you should be able to do that as well.

Yes CCP wants integration between dust and eve corps. It should not come at the cost of breaking the game for people who do not go this route.

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Eternal Technique Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 281	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:09:00 - [1] - Quote Recently it became possible to transfer isk from EVE to dust via singularity. I assume this was an exploit, as it has effectively broken the game. Isk means nothing now. Dust Corporations have billions in their wallets and are able to fund endless tanks, dropships, prototype gear, etc. People have even started giving away isk to players via local chat in the quantities of hundreds of millions at a time. Dust 514 was supposed to be a game with consequences, where if you lose something expensive, it hurts you. At the moment in Dust there is nothing on the market that will even put a scratch in a well established EVE corp wallet. The result: a risk free gaming experience where there is no real concept of loss for many players. Also since people who have EVE accounts payed for a sub, this takes the pay to win concept to a new level. Even worse is the fact that the isk came from singularity, meaning it is basically free isk for EVE players. The only solution I see to fix this is to remove the exploit and wipe all dust mercs wallets. Yes it is unfair to the players who didnt transfer isk, but these players will ultimately benefit as they will not have to fight people with unlimited funds. I only hope this happens before the beta tournament, otherwise any team who does not have an EVE corp might as well not even apply for a spot.
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 335	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:11:00 - [2] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/aElGv.gif All DUST Players right now.
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous SyNergy Gaming 242	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:12:00 - [3] - Quote And to those who label this a "cry me a river" story, it isnt, we've very recently had to jump on this bandwagon now, but we are not proud of doing it, as there is a general consensus it takes away from the game.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote I agree, but I just think there shouldn't be such easy transactions between Dust and EVE players. Since Dust is essentially pay to win, anyone funded by those massive corps with like one hundred PI systems set up will always win, so it's unfair, especially for those who just play Dust and not EVE.
Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous SyNergy Gaming 242	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:23:00 - [5] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: I agree, but I just think there shouldn't be such easy transactions between Dust and EVE players. Since Dust is essentially pay to win, anyone funded by those massive corps with like one hundred PI systems set up will always win, so it's unfair, especially for those who just play Dust and not EVE. I dont mind the connection, speaking for myself, but for a beta with 'free isk' being thrown around from a test server, its bs. Especially since its clear the tournament will be a dropship-tank fielding game. Since the free isk allows you to just spawn more without punishment, it does take away a lot from the gameplay, no point for SPs in infantry classes... forge guns can be good, but when they keep spawning in they become arbitrary. It does address a problem with just having strictly vehicle heavy games, and im not someone who ever complains about vehicles, but i never complained because i understood the cost associated with them. There is no longer any cost, and its a beta tournament. Should be some type of cieling on isk usage or some fashion like that for a tournament. In nullsec/FW scenarios when game actually launches, im sure there will be a lot of whoring, but atleast that will be with real money. They may need to figure out some things still, it will kill some player base to have strict vehicle warfare. Edit: You may argue, "exactly, its a beta, let people get wild"... and there is a good point and a fallacy in this: 1) Good point: Okay, maybe your right. If the game at launch is going to be a ton of eve players pumping money in dust-side, then this is a realistic image of what Dust will be like. But that raises some huge problems with gameplay, when organized groups will have to start saying to players "**** your infantry SP, go everything vehicles" and maybe some heavies for some more sneaky AV support. 2) Why there should be change: If one assumes CCP wants to change this, then having the tournament (which is really just a test for CCP to see how things are balanced, aside from a PR boost), they should probably put some hotfixes in... because its already clear vehicles will be abused. Should start sampling now imo. At least a tournament should have a limit or wipe on it, i would like to imagine it can be on more proper ground, but i understand arguments of 1). I suppose the tournament will be something for them to observe exactly where they can fix the balances by viewing dominant teams, but tbh it will be clear by the end of round robins, because it will be vehicle spam, and best team will have the most skilled in it.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:24:00 - [6] - Quote I understand that when they give us contracts, it's fine, but right now, there's no reason for them to give us ISK.
Onar Kion Dark Horizon Industries 26	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:34:00 - [7] - Quote I don't agree, I have given my dust guy money. Since I can make a few million isk running a level 4 mission. This is how it is going to be at launch, this is how EVE is right now. You have corps suicide gank ships loosing millions of ISK because what they can get out of it is more so they will do it. Tournaments are bought in EVE, they do it before hand, hell some do it right in the chat during the tournament. This is New Eden, be it go or bad. I love both games. But a voice in the back of my head makes me feel like Dust is a launch pad to get people to play EVE, since there you can make millions of ISK with out to much trouble, then just give it to your Dust player.
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 335	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:37:00 - [8] - Quote Onar Kion wrote: I don't agree, I have given my dust guy money. Since I can make a few million isk running a level 4 mission. This is how it is going to be at launch, this is how EVE is right now. You have corps suicide gank ships loosing millions of ISK because what they can get out of it is more so they will do it. Tournaments are bought in EVE, they do it before hand, hell some do it right in the chat during the tournament. This is New Eden, be it go or bad. I love both games. But a voice in the back of my head makes me feel like Dust is a launch pad to get people to play EVE, since there you can make millions of ISK with out to much trouble, then just give it to your Dust player. Do you understand the difference in prices in Eve and DUST? Im sure you do cause you play EVE. A corp with even 100million in DUST is crazy, add a Corp with 100 Billion... OK sounds fun.
Onar Kion Dark Horizon Industries 26	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:40:00 - [9] - Quote Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Onar Kion wrote: I don't agree, I have given my dust guy money. Since I can make a few million isk running a level 4 mission. This is how it is going to be at launch, this is how EVE is right now. You have corps suicide gank ships loosing millions of ISK because what they can get out of it is more so they will do it. Tournaments are bought in EVE, they do it before hand, hell some do it right in the chat during the tournament. This is New Eden, be it go or bad. I love both games. But a voice in the back of my head makes me feel like Dust is a launch pad to get people to play EVE, since there you can make millions of ISK with out to much trouble, then just give it to your Dust player. Do you understand the difference in prices in Eve and DUST? Im sure you do cause you play EVE. A corp with even 100million in DUST is crazy, add a Corp with 100 Billion... OK sounds fun. That is why CCP has said time and time again, they didn't want a Dust Corp, and a EVE Corp. They wanted both players to fit together in New Eden Corps. Not self separating each other.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 363	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:51:00 - [10] - Quote Onar Kion wrote: That is why CCP has said time and time again, they didn't want a Dust Corp, and a EVE Corp. They wanted both players to fit together in New Eden Corps. Not self separating each other. That is why CCP has said time and time again, they didn't want a Dust Corp, and a EVE Corp. They wanted both players to fit together in New Eden Corps. Not self separating each other. [/quote] It would essentially be the same thing. If my EVE corp gives my DUST corp 500 mil or my EVE corp appropriates 500 mil for our mercs what difference would it make?

Eternal Technique Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 281	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:03:00 - [11] - Quote Onar Kion wrote: Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Onar Kion wrote: I don't agree, I have given my dust guy money. Since I can make a few million isk running a level 4 mission. This is how it is going to be at launch, this is how EVE is right now. You have corps suicide gank ships loosing millions of ISK because what they can get out of it is more so they will do it. Tournaments are bought in EVE, they do it before hand, hell some do it right in the chat during the tournament. This is New Eden, be it go or bad. I love both games. But a voice in the back of my head makes me feel like Dust is a launch pad to get people to play EVE, since there you can make millions of ISK with out to much trouble, then just give it to your Dust player. Do you understand the difference in prices in Eve and DUST? Im sure you do cause you play EVE. A corp with even 100million in DUST is crazy, add a Corp with 100 Billion... OK sounds fun. That is why CCP has said time and time again, they didn't want a Dust Corp, and a EVE Corp. They wanted both players to fit together in New Eden Corps. Not self separating each other. No im pretty sure you are wrong. CCP wants people to be able to play their game and chose how involved they want to get in the Dust/EVE connection. If you want to hop on and play a couple matches and have fun thats great. But if you want to get more into it and go to null sec, form alliances, etc, you should be able to do that as well. Yes CCP wants integration between dust and eve corps. It should not come at the cost of breaking the game for people who do not go this route.
Zat Earthshatter Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:12:00 - [12] - Quote The main issue isn't so much prices in EVE, it's the fact SiSi lets you essentially have unlimited ISK. This is because of two reasons: 1. every EVE item is 100 ISK 2. all market offers are carried over in a mirror It is stupidly easy for an EVE test character to buy from a seeded system, then cart it over to a trade system and get billions of ISK. What I'm trying to say is: SiSi is meant to allow everyone to test end-game ability and server capacity (mass-tests). It simply isn't designed for checking precise economic balancing, period. CCP is not going to be able to balance DUST prices while the game is connected to the Singularity cluster.
Onar Kion Dark Horizon Industries 26	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:13:00 - [13] - Quote Eternal Technique wrote: Onar Kion wrote: Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Onar Kion wrote: I don't agree, I have given my dust guy money. Since I can make a few million isk running a level 4 mission. This is how it is going to be at launch, this is how EVE is right now. You have corps suicide gank ships loosing millions of ISK because what they can get out of it is more so they will do it. Tournaments are bought in EVE, they do it before hand, hell some do it right in the chat during the tournament. This is New Eden, be it go or bad. I love both games. But a voice in the back of my head makes me feel like Dust is a launch pad to get people to play EVE, since there you can make millions of ISK with out to much trouble, then just give it to your Dust player. Do you understand the difference in prices in Eve and DUST? Im sure you do cause you play EVE. A corp with even 100million in DUST is crazy, add a Corp with 100 Billion... OK sounds fun. That is why CCP has said time and time again, they didn't want a Dust Corp, and a EVE Corp. They wanted both players to fit together in New Eden Corps. Not self separating each other. No im pretty sure you are wrong. CCP wants people to be able to play their game and chose how involved they want to get in the Dust/EVE connection. If you want to hop on and play a couple matches and have fun thats great. But if you want to get more into it and go to null sec, form alliances, etc, you should be able to do that as well. Yes CCP wants integration between dust and eve corps. It should not come at the cost of breaking the game for people who do not go this route. That is what I thought there match making system they talked about is for, pairing people up with similar SP and Equipment, for those people that just want to jump in for a quick game.
Paul Etrades Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:13:00 - [14] - Quote There is another exploit i found you can make new merc accounts and then have them give their entire starting money of 250,00 0 ISK to your corp
Zat Earthshatter Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:21:00 - [15] - Quote wait a minute... This thread explains it CCP Nullarbor wrote: Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. Sounds like players doing these transfers are indeed exploiting.
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 22	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:52:00 - [16] - Quote Zat Earthshatter wrote: wait a minute... This thread explains it CCP Nullarbor wrote: Transferring ISK from an EVE account to a DUST account is unintended behaviour. I would recommend the corporations who have done this to leave it in their corporation wallets while we investigate. Sounds like players doing these transfers are indeed exploiting. 'unintended behavior' - that's what they said about the av nade minefields.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:55:00 - [17] - Quote What's this, the 99% of Dust wants use rich folks to give up our ISK? HA. Off to manage my offworld ISK accounts, tata!


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