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Chosokabe Ite Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.10.17 05:40:00 - [1] - Quote To better explain the title, look at the spawning in Ambush. It's a cluster bleep of random spawn points. One problem is, many times folks end up spawning right in front of their enemy. I recall spawning right between two players who were shooting at each other. I also recall a player spawning right in front of me, I nova knifed the poor sap. But that didn't seem right to me. I believe that some matches are being decided by the spawning mechanics. And how is it an ambush when BOTH parties have no idea where the enemy is coming from? An ambush is a surprise attack meant to catch one side off guard. Ambush should still be a death match, of course. But why not have Attackers who are doing the ambushing and Defenders who are fighting them off? How about this? There should be Two (or more) spawn areas for Attackers outside the structures being fought over. These areas cannot be accessed by the Defenders. That way we can prevent spawn camping. The Defenders should have multiple spawn locations all over the facilities, all of which are random spawns. The key thing is that both sides are not sharing the same spawn points, less confusion and way less spawn and die moments. That and both sides have advantages. The Attackers can hit the Defenders from different sides, putting on pressure to defend all access roads. And the Defenders have unpredictability, the Attackers will have a hard time holding the facility when the enemy can come from anywhere inside it. I would like your thoughts on this. I expect honesty, cruel or kind.
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.10.17 07:24:00 - [2] - Quote I agree with you.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.10.17 07:33:00 - [3] - Quote i agree, they should call ambush something else. like engage/slaughter/team death match/biomass offensive i'm terrible with names but i agree that it doesn't feel like an ambush at all.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.10.17 10:27:00 - [4] - Quote How about "Meeting Engagement", better describes what is happening in match. Ambush could be used as name for a different mode, like defend convoy other team is attacking with turrets set up along the road, like skirmish from e3 but with a convoy/mining vehicle instead of the mcc.
Matobar Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2012.10.17 13:06:00 - [5] - Quote I agree with the OP. The name Ambush, and the fact that there is an attacking and defending team, is a bit misleading IMO. The names of the teams and the game mode should be changed, or the game mode itself should be changed to better fit the new names
Chosokabe Ite Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.10.20 17:53:00 - [6] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: How about "Meeting Engagement", better describes what is happening in match. Ambush could be used as name for a different mode, like defend convoy other team is attacking with turrets set up along the road, like skirmish from e3 but with a convoy/mining vehicle instead of the mcc. You have no idea how brilliant that is. Let's think about this. In EVE, planetary structures are "inked" to each other. Resources and products travel these links to get from one structure to another. Dust mercs could attack the links and attack the convoys that travel them. Destroy the armored transport and the link is disabled for a hurtful amount of time. You're limited to how many planetary complexes you can own. So It's the perfect way to deal a blow without taking the complexes themselves.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.10.20 20:28:00 - [7] - Quote The name of this is an example of a scenario in a battle for a district, just like a skirmish for MCC superiority. An ambush is a scenario between objectives where one team would attempt to severely cut down the enemy clone reserves before they can get to the battle everyone expects to happen.
Absolon Gainne Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 11	Posted - 2012.10.21 01:26:00 - [8] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: i agree, they should call ambush something else. like engage/slaughter/team death match/biomass offensive i'm terrible with names but i agree that it doesn't feel like an ambush at all. I really like Slaughter as a name, as the current name is pretty ridiculous when everyone is getting wasted from every angle, instead of one team having a clear "advantage" in an ambush. As Ten-Sidhe and Chosokabe Ite said, Ambush should be a different game-mode with one team attacking a convoy of sorts. Or, alternatively if the devs don't want to change the name of the mode, the idea of Attackers having specific spawn points is really interesting.
FatalFlaw V1 ISK Faucet Industries 76	Posted - 2012.10.21 01:51:00 - [9] - Quote Its called ambush because the spawn mechanics are so bad people are constantly being killed the second their screen loads. In all seriousness, they probably just wanted to call it something other than team deathmatch like every other fps.
Andius Fidelitas Algintal Core Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.21 03:28:00 - [10] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: Its called ambush because the spawn mechanics are so bad people are constantly being killed the second their screen loads. In all seriousness, they probably just wanted to call it something other than team deathmatch like every other fps. Haha, agreed. Currently, ambush is the proper term. XD But yeah, I wish CCP would recognize that using a universal term in a game genre does not make one an unoriginal bum.

STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.10.21 03:31:00 - [11] - Quote Maybe a real ambush mode could function like the old skirmish, attacking and defending a single MCC
Chosokabe Ite Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.10.25 22:21:00 - [12] - Quote I'm liking the brain storm in this thread. Bumping to keep it up. To further address the random spawn problem. Me and an ally just spawn next to an enemy LAV. We were both blown up and our deaths cost us the match. Chosokabe Ite wrote: I believe that some matches are being decided by the spawning mechanics. But Yes, i think Ambush could be a name for a different type of match. Maybe the current could be renamed "Scramble" or "Land Snatch"? As in the attackers are already in the base and need to be flushed out by the defenders, this could go well with the spawn anywhere mechanic.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.10.25 23:05:00 - [13] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Maybe a real ambush mode could function like the old skirmish, attacking and defending a single MCC Hmm. maybe call the old skirmish assault?
Chosokabe Ite Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.10.26 15:34:00 - [14] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Maybe a real ambush mode could function like the old skirmish, attacking and defending a single MCC Hmm. maybe call the old skirmish assault? That could work. Maybe what kind of match that takes place can be decided by how the attackers approach the facility. Oh and an update on the spawn issues. -Enemy spawns 3 feet in front of me, shotgunned him from behind. -Spawn in front of an enemy heavy as he was getting that HMG of his warmed up. - Spawned just in time for a speeding LAV to run me over half a second later.
Herpn Derpidus Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.10.26 17:08:00 - [15] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Maybe a real ambush mode could function like the old skirmish, attacking and defending a single MCC yes, i love this idea, because the old skirmish kind of feels like your just ambushing them with your MCC
Raze galder Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2012.10.26 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote Herpn Derpidus wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Maybe a real ambush mode could function like the old skirmish, attacking and defending a single MCC yes, i love this idea, because the old skirmish kind of feels like your just ambushing them with your MCC How about we add the one mode from BF forget the name but the defenders try and stop the attackers from taking the point and if they fail they get pushed back to another point just modify it to fit dusts needs but i think we need a bigger map then we currrently have.
Chosokabe Ite Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.10.26 21:14:00 - [17] - Quote 4 times in a row, I spawn right in front of an enemy (who of course kills me), 4 times in a row! But what really got to me was the fourth death. I spawned in front of an entire squad while they're all shooting. I didn't even have a chance to move the analog stick.
Chosokabe Ite Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 72	Posted - 2012.10.30 02:06:00 - [18] - Quote Well, my worst fear was realized these past couple Ambush matches. The "random" spawn points are being memorized and camped. On some spawns there's either an HMG staring me in the face or a firing squad.
Mars El'Theran Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness 52	Posted - 2012.10.30 04:00:00 - [19] - Quote It's 'Ambush' because the spawning tends to screw you. Sometimes it's in your favor; others it is not. Good practice really. I find my gameplay improves when I run some Ambush battles, generally anyway. The only time it doesn't is when I continually spawn in the most inappropriate of places and die repeatedly.
GaGe AsSeBrKr Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 54	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:41:00 - [20] - Quote "Ambush" refers to what happens when you spawn in front of 5 hostiles.

Bzeer Ra Jedi Knights. 2	Posted - 2012.10.31 02:49:00 - [21] - Quote I agree with the op. and I only care to go into ambush mode under the following conditions. 1 testing a new fit and play style. 2 using up old fits I don't like anymore. Still got 3 laser fits to loose. 3 challenging myself to a knives only contest during a gunfight. 4 trying to figure out how to revive my teammates with nan injections. You know basically any reason where I'm planning to die a lot anyway.
Washlee UnReaL. 131	Posted - 2012.10.31 06:26:00 - [22] - Quote I don't really care about the name just place a 30 second pre designated spawn.
Angrim Khan Bragian Order Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2012.10.31 10:08:00 - [23] - Quote I agree. Its more of a gladiatorial contest that might have been dreamt up by a sadistic Roman Emperor. Drop slaves in ring blindfolded with weapons at random locations, rip off blindfolds > laugh at misery. 'Gladiator Duel' might be more like it.
Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 65	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:10:00 - [24] - Quote I believe CCP named it ambush just to make it stick out of the normal "team deathmatch" stuff. Defenders attackers and all that stuff could be OK, but we got skirmish for that. Personally all they need to work on is the spawn points on this mode.


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