DUST Search - *ISK Makes the World Go Round* - Economic harmony between DUST and EVE.

Jax GG wrote:

My message might be a little mixed up, but EvE corps in Dust may have some of the largest disposable income available, however, it will come with a tight (read very tight) leash, whereas a self funding Dust Corporation will get the biggest and best rewards...... and, they'll spend it how they wish, answering only to themselves.

Matobar wrote:

That really doesn't make any sense. As I said before, the corporations in EVE simply won't be able to sell things in DUST if they price their items according to how they're priced in EVE. Capitalism 101 is to please your consumer base, not ostracize them. First off, it doesn't make sense to price an assault rifle or drop suit the same way you would price a starship component, because they're completely different items. On top of that, you're assuming that the EVE players who play DUST will control the pricing. They won't. As I said before, the pricing will control itself, capitalist style, and I doubt that the average price of a product in DUST will be as far out of reach from the average DUST consumer as you're saying, because that just wouldn't make sense in a capitalist economy like the one we're headed towards. The price will be set according to what makes the most profit for the EVE corporation, and I highly doubt that profit will be found in making it so only a minority of DUST players can afford their goods.

And as I said before, CCP can always re-institute the current NPC orders to accommodate the players if things get out of hand, which would force the EVE corporations to lower their prices just to compete with the new, cheaper NPC product.


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Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.14 23:12:00 - [1] - Quote Has anyone ever done something as complicated as joining the economies of two entirely different games before? I do not envy whichever CCP people have the task of figuring out how they can bring Dust and EVE together economically without destroying Dust as a game by making items far too expensive for people without an EVE connection to afford. Most players do not play EVE and will not be involved in competitive, nullsec stuff for EVE corps. The game needs to remain enjoyable for those players as well. Whispercrow wrote: I wonder how CCP will deal with this. They're dealing with it pretty well right now by simply keeping the economies separate. I think that's a perfectly viable path forward. Make EVE players purchase contracts that are bought with EVE-scale funds and pay out in Dust-scale funds (that is, maybe a contract for 5 billion only awards 5 million or something) or use a third currency that acts as an exchange between Dust and EVE players. Such that, y'know, Dust players earn something via their efforts that is of value to EVE players and vice versa, and items can only be sold from one side to the other using this alternative form of payment. The bulk of the items on the market, meanwhile, could be NPC sold or produced by Dust player factories in districts on controlled planets, rather than by EVE players.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.16 00:45:00 - [2] - Quote Whispercrow wrote: If the currency with the same name exists in both games but can't be exchanged between the two, then it's not the same currency, so they should give it a new name. It's already established in EVE that planetary-based currency is worthless compared to the InterStellar Kredit. There's even an early-game noob mission where you have a 'stack of money' and it outright tells you this. So, rolling with that, CCP should come up with a new currency for Dust if they don't intend to link the economies. It makes no sense otherwise. No, it does make sense. All markets around the world are not all freely accessible to all other people. There are all sorts of laws controlling the movement of money/merchandise. As for this fictional setting, capsuleers, the EVE characters, are on a whole 'nother level compared to other people in that setting. It seems perfectly reasonable that the markets foot-slogging Dust grunts would have access to might not include the ones that capsuleers would. If that's not believable enough, they could always throw together some kind of CONCORD legislation that accomplishes much of the same. At any rate, if it's decided that combining the economies can't work without hurting Dust substantially CCP really shouldn't feel any compulsion to do it regardless of that fact simply because the currencies are the same. The success of their game should not be endangered by something as trivial as "well the two currencies are the same therefore the two economies should be joined". Most Dust players, if they're even aware of the shared currency name, would not find themselves caring about that in any significant way. Cpl Quartz wrote: i would imagine since the begining the plan was always to try and entice ps3 players into EvE and the other way around. There are lot's of Dust players who are also EVE players, but the solution to the problem of Dust-only players being unable to afford anything because the prices for items are being set by people with spare billions lying around is not to get those Dust-only players to play EVE.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.16 02:43:00 - [3] - Quote Matobar wrote: It just occurred to me: Why would the goods produced in EVE to be sold in DUST be so expensive? It doesn't make sense, really. There are enough EVE players or EVE-connected players that the market would naturally adapt to that wallet size. What's that quote? "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." The necessary result of the kind of wealth disparity between Dust-only and EVE players would be that Dust-only players would find whatever stuff players are setting the price for essentially beyond their reach.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.16 15:56:00 - [4] - Quote Jax GG wrote: A the point of release there will be mega-bucks corporations running around all funded by EvE corps, however, and mark my words (just for the drama) within a month or so, the best performing corporations will NOT be EvE corps. There's no way you could say that with any certainty. Having access to unlimited funds would be kind of an advantage. Being able to run as many fits of the most expensive prototype gear, having all the marauder tanks with their best stuff you can lose, always having friendly ships on standby for orbital strikes when needed... it's possible that not all of the best Dust corps will be ones supported by EVE corps, but it's certainly the case that the having EVE backing would be a major advantage and that such corps would naturally attract the better players, who themselves want a piece of the unlimited cash pie. Cpl Quartz wrote: i agree that would be forcing them to play EvE but remember that ccp needs to make money somewhere. If CCP wants to make money they should consider making AUR stuff people actually want to spend money on. The idea of forcing Dust players to become EVE players in order to stay competitive is pretty absurd. That isn't a viable business strategy. Jax GG wrote: My message might be a little mixed up, but EvE corps in Dust may have some of the largest disposable income available, however, it will come with a tight (read very tight) leash, whereas a self funding Dust Corporation will get the biggest and best rewards...... and, they'll spend it how they wish, answering only to themselves. How is it that you'd say the EVE-connected Dust corps would have the most money, but that the self-funding Dust corps would get the "best rewards"? EVE-connected Dust corps would be the wealthiest, never have to worry about ISK at all, would always (or almost always) have the fleet support they need to move their warbarge or get orbital strikes, and the only restrictions they'd have is that they'd be told where to fight. That's hardly an issue that would bother the typical member of such a corp, though. Matobar wrote: That really doesn't make any sense. As I said before, the corporations in EVE simply won't be able to sell things in DUST if they price their items according to how they're priced in EVE. Capitalism 101 is to please your consumer base, not ostracize them. First off, it doesn't make sense to price an assault rifle or drop suit the same way you would price a starship component, because they're completely different items. On top of that, you're assuming that the EVE players who play DUST will control the pricing. They won't. As I said before, the pricing will control itself, capitalist style, and I doubt that the average price of a product in DUST will be as far out of reach from the average DUST consumer as you're saying, because that just wouldn't make sense in a capitalist economy like the one we're headed towards. The price will be set according to what makes the most profit for the EVE corporation, and I highly doubt that profit will be found in making it so only a minority of DUST players can afford their goods. And as I said before, CCP can always re-institute the current NPC orders to accommodate the players if things get out of hand, which would force the EVE corporations to lower their prices just to compete with the new, cheaper NPC product. They will be able to sell things in Dust priced at EVE levels, because there are enough EVE players here and enough EVE-connected players that such pricing will still allow goods to move. If someone opened up the market in Dust to EVE players right now, I would buy out every item sold for 3k ISK or 10k ISK or whatever and give it a substantial mark-up. Dust players would be pissed, and they'd be able to afford 1/10th of these items they normally could or whatever, but EVE players would have no issue being able to buy those items for their Dust character. And I'd probably have people buying out my items and marking them up even further, until things settle at some price far above Dust player wallet sizes, because there are enough people with EVE money playing Dust that selling stuff at EVE levels would always be viable.