DUST Search - Should laser rifles have infinite ammunition? (shield power drain/capacitor)

Sha Kharn Clone wrote:

Dewie Cheecham wrote:

Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:

Right now I think the way that Laser Rifles have only 100 ammunition per magazine (400-500 in total) weakens this weapon from high popularity. I have been trying to heavily specialise in Laser Rifles but to me they seem too weak and too expensive to use them full-time.

I think that Laser Rifles should have infinite ammunition in the sense that they drain power from your shields, so they can last about 25 seconds without requiring shield regeneration plus the traditional heat build-up.

This is beneficial because:
- It gives Laser Rifle users a good head-start to specialise skills in (shield regeneration). At the moment most users are quite lost as to what skills to train excluding the standard light weapon / laser rifle proficiencies.
- It would give Laser Rifles a much needed buff because at the moment they are weak primarily because of damage, but mostly because of their limited capacity. If you get rid of the capacity they would be better.

We need an EVE style Capacitor. as that would also explain the stamina drain on suits. Stamina in a powered suit?? Really?

I'd say rename the stamina bar to Capacitor, paint it gold and let that be the source of power for lasers.

Nah stamina is just that I think. You run a mile flat out you aint going to be so hot in melee or in a buny hopping match. Thats all about personal fitness and the skill names effecting this also suggest exactly that.

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Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:11:00 - [1] - Quote Right now I think the way that Laser Rifles have only 100 ammunition per magazine (400-500 in total) weakens this weapon from high popularity. I have been trying to heavily specialise in Laser Rifles but to me they seem too weak and too expensive to use them full-time. I think that Laser Rifles should have infinite ammunition in the sense that they drain power from your shields, so they can last about 25 seconds without requiring shield regeneration plus the traditional heat build-up. This is beneficial because: - It gives Laser Rifle users a good head-start to specialise skills in (shield regeneration). At the moment most users are quite lost as to what skills to train excluding the standard light weapon / laser rifle proficiencies. - It would give Laser Rifles a much needed buff because at the moment they are weak primarily because of damage, but mostly because of their limited capacity. If you get rid of the capacity they would be better. Or give us an EVE style capacitor factor to consider in the HUD.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:14:00 - [2] - Quote I honestly dont think they need a buff. With my awful gungame and inexperiance in this fps stuff I just pulled a 27-1 and I'm nowhere good enuf to do that with an AR. Nerf em if anything cos its not unheard of to get 3 kills in one trigger pull
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:15:00 - [3] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Right now I think the way that Laser Rifles have only 100 ammunition per magazine (400-500 in total) weakens this weapon from high popularity. I have been trying to heavily specialise in Laser Rifles but to me they seem too weak and too expensive to use them full-time. I think that Laser Rifles should have infinite ammunition in the sense that they drain power from your shields, so they can last about 25 seconds without requiring shield regeneration plus the traditional heat build-up. This is beneficial because: - It gives Laser Rifle users a good head-start to specialise skills in (shield regeneration). At the moment most users are quite lost as to what skills to train excluding the standard light weapon / laser rifle proficiencies. - It would give Laser Rifles a much needed buff because at the moment they are weak primarily because of damage, but mostly because of their limited capacity. If you get rid of the capacity they would be better. We need an EVE style Capacitor. as that would also explain the stamina drain on suits. Stamina in a powered suit?? Really? I'd say rename the stamina bar to Capacitor, paint it gold and let that be the source of power for lasers.
Azold N'Kar 12	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:15:00 - [4] - Quote Might be better in the feedback/suggestions forums.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:17:00 - [5] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Right now I think the way that Laser Rifles have only 100 ammunition per magazine (400-500 in total) weakens this weapon from high popularity. I have been trying to heavily specialise in Laser Rifles but to me they seem too weak and too expensive to use them full-time. I think that Laser Rifles should have infinite ammunition in the sense that they drain power from your shields, so they can last about 25 seconds without requiring shield regeneration plus the traditional heat build-up. This is beneficial because: - It gives Laser Rifle users a good head-start to specialise skills in (shield regeneration). At the moment most users are quite lost as to what skills to train excluding the standard light weapon / laser rifle proficiencies. - It would give Laser Rifles a much needed buff because at the moment they are weak primarily because of damage, but mostly because of their limited capacity. If you get rid of the capacity they would be better. We need an EVE style Capacitor. as that would also explain the stamina drain on suits. Stamina in a powered suit?? Really? I'd say rename the stamina bar to Capacitor, paint it gold and let that be the source of power for lasers. Nah stamina is just that I think. You run a mile flat out you aint going to be so hot in melee or in a buny hopping match. Thats all about personal fitness and the skill names effecting this also suggest exactly that.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:25:00 - [6] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Dewie Cheecham wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Right now I think the way that Laser Rifles have only 100 ammunition per magazine (400-500 in total) weakens this weapon from high popularity. I have been trying to heavily specialise in Laser Rifles but to me they seem too weak and too expensive to use them full-time. I think that Laser Rifles should have infinite ammunition in the sense that they drain power from your shields, so they can last about 25 seconds without requiring shield regeneration plus the traditional heat build-up. This is beneficial because: - It gives Laser Rifle users a good head-start to specialise skills in (shield regeneration). At the moment most users are quite lost as to what skills to train excluding the standard light weapon / laser rifle proficiencies. - It would give Laser Rifles a much needed buff because at the moment they are weak primarily because of damage, but mostly because of their limited capacity. If you get rid of the capacity they would be better. We need an EVE style Capacitor. as that would also explain the stamina drain on suits. Stamina in a powered suit?? Really? I'd say rename the stamina bar to Capacitor, paint it gold and let that be the source of power for lasers. Nah stamina is just that I think. You run a mile flat out you aint going to be so hot in melee or in a buny hopping match. Thats all about personal fitness and the skill names effecting this also suggest exactly that. There is that, but then the stamina shouldn't be a function of your suit. Rather the suit should have a Stamina drain value when sprinting or jumping, and the player him/her self have a stamina, that would also explain the skills affecting this. I still think a Capacitor is needed. Forge guns, lasers, blasters etc should, not to mention active suit units need it. It is adding complexity to the game, but I think it'll make a lot more sense and solve some of the problems CCP have now, and in the long run, as they already know about this mechanics.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.14 11:28:00 - [7] - Quote Well if you give the lazorz a cap its self and dont mess with the suits stamina I could get behind that. Hate carrying nanohives anyway. Also its very amarrinan not to have ammo. So works on the lore side also.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.14 13:43:00 - [8] - Quote oh yeah for sure totally!! and the shields need inifinite energy so you don't take any hits and the armor needs infinite strength so you don't get killed. and don't for the box of never ending tampons to go with it all Peace B
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 391	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:21:00 - [9] - Quote I think ammo regeneration is the only change that rifle needs. there is no reason that your suit cant recharge the batteries from it's power grid.
Sgt Kirk ZionTCD Legacy Rising 349	Posted - 2012.10.14 15:57:00 - [10] - Quote Maybe your laser capacity could be determined by how much PG or CPU you have in left in your suit.

RedMoses Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.10.14 17:55:00 - [11] - Quote OP. No. To find a balance every weapon needs an ammo limitation in order to require pauses in battle, purpose for logi's and supply depos and to stop 1 person from becoming a god on the battlefield (infinite ammo). I think it is a balance issue, and ther is no way I want to give up my shields while I am attacking or defending - too much risk - give me ammo instead. PG/CPU - I always push my suit to the max, I really don't have anything left over, therefore laser capacity would be 0 - again as far as balancing = bad.
CLONE 2774 Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 83	Posted - 2012.10.14 17:58:00 - [12] - Quote NO! laser rifles are perfect the way they are! Its probably the most balanced weapon so far.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.14 18:28:00 - [13] - Quote CLONE 2774 wrote: NO! laser rifles are perfect the way they are! Its probably the most balanced weapon so far. yeah, I've used one myself on an alt. It's that right now, they're overshadowed by ARs at the range you're supposed to use them at.
Lasarte Ioni Noob Gaming 72	Posted - 2012.10.14 18:55:00 - [14] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: CLONE 2774 wrote: NO! laser rifles are perfect the way they are! Its probably the most balanced weapon so far. yeah, I've used one myself on an alt. It's that right now, they're overshadowed by ARs at the range you're supposed to use them at. They melt ARs at the range the LRs are supposed to be used, u can stand in the middle of nowhere laughing your ass at the AR hitting you for 4% of your shield while his is empty in 2-3 ticks (by tick i mean the time the UI needs to refresh the shield points value) if you get into the AR optimal range (also known as everything closer than 25m ) the LR gets owned. Of course, you can't be a wild cowboy rushing to the front line with one of those, while a AR overlaps with the SMG and the LR (sightly) so its the AR fault.
Ghost-33 ShootBreakStab 108	Posted - 2012.10.14 19:40:00 - [15] - Quote RedMoses wrote: To find a balance every weapon needs an ammo limitation in order to require pauses in battle, Except for vehicle weapons, cause it would be unfair for them if they had to reload and possibility miss that infantry kill while that clone is reloading.
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2012.10.14 20:23:00 - [16] - Quote I get your point Ghost, I'm just limiting the commentary to infantry and not Vehicles right now... they are a whole nother beast of a topic. AKA RedMoses
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2012.10.14 20:37:00 - [17] - Quote I really enjoy the lasers however they don't seem to have enough range for the role they seem to fill. Even with sharpshooter 3 the laser is overshadowed by the general usefulness of the AR, and at close range the laser is terrible. If the laser had greater range, it could fulfill the support firepower role well, and make its treacherousness at close range worth the hazard. As it is now its very situational where the laser is an asset and not a liability. Regarding infinite ammo, terrible idea. Laser should be a support weapon, requiring an intact team with you to really excel.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 385	Posted - 2012.10.14 20:48:00 - [18] - Quote Laser rifle scope. Nuff SaidGäó
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.14 23:13:00 - [19] - Quote Lasarte Ioni wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: CLONE 2774 wrote: NO! laser rifles are perfect the way they are! Its probably the most balanced weapon so far. yeah, I've used one myself on an alt. It's that right now, they're overshadowed by ARs at the range you're supposed to use them at. They melt ARs at the range the LRs are supposed to be used, u can stand in the middle of nowhere laughing your ass at the AR hitting you for 4% of your shield while his is empty in 2-3 ticks (by tick i mean the time the UI needs to refresh the shield points value) if you get into the AR optimal range (also known as everything closer than 25m ) the LR gets owned. Of course, you can't be a wild cowboy rushing to the front line with one of those, while a AR overlaps with the SMG and the LR (sightly) so its the AR fault. with light weapon sharpshooter III, and firing at the edge of the range of my LR, the guy with the AR I'm firing at would still kill me all the time.
D3LTA NORMANDY Doomheim 101	Posted - 2012.10.15 04:18:00 - [20] - Quote I hoped they get mid-high range heavy weapons with infinite ammo which overheat very fast and I still hope.



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