Other than learning to 'judge' distances, is there a way of knowing how far your target is from you?

Regards

did u take into account the skills u have

example light weapon sharpshooter increases range so if u had this at lvl 1 whlie doing this it will give u a false reading

+1 to this topic.

OP: Do you mind if I post results in the Hitchhiker's Guide to New Eden?

love that Musta ! SO you were bored on IRC ?

The info on the shot guns is a little misleading though. I understand that obviously your just going by what the game tells you, but I can assure you that at 9 meters I do not do max damage with my shot gun. Could be to do with te spread maybe? But basically anything over 1m seems to do less damage. I can 1 shot most stuff at 1m range. At 5m all I can do is tickle them.

With there being an "optimal range" does that mean there is a damage drop off after optimal?

Alright, got the info for my forge gun

'Grimlock' Guristas Assault Forge Gun
Maximum range (With no sharpshooter bonus) - 300m
Efficiency rate - Infinite, till max range is reached
Meta Level - 9

And the Gastun's BRN-50 Forge gun is the same on the range as well. And as well as any other lower caliber Forge Gun.

Also, it seems that the Efficiency rate is 100% no matter what the range seems to be on a target other than the MCC. So that might be a bug. So that would mean that there is no true Optimal range other than 0-300m which is the max range.

When you are back it would be wonderful if you could do an expansion of your data. (I don't know what the begging icon is?)

Pick a weapon class and expand all the data that makes choosing between them clear. Clip size, max ammo, DMG stats added to your excellent range chart would be a fantastic resource.

Offers to help would probably even get some assistance. I would help anyway.

OP could i possibly use this for the Immortal Mercenary Press Online newspaper?
Its a REALLY helpful chart of info and i was wondering if it could be posted there, of course the credit goes to you.

Thanks

Fantastic list. Does anybody know what the dmg drop off range is of each class of weapons?

Max range of all large railgun turrets is 599 meters. Optimal seems to be 1-599 too.

Did they remove the experimental sniper rifle from the game? If so every sniper rifle's range is 1-599 (optimal and max).

Except the thale. I don't know what the range is on that. I'd assume it's the same, but I know this guide is for facts only ;)

edit: I have access to all large blaster turrets too, and those are a bit more interesting. Some do more damage at long range and less at close (like the laser). I'll post that in a bit if you're still updating this.

St-1 missile/fragmented/cycled= 100m
Accelerated st-1= 140m

Also noted that supply depots and CRUs have a critical zone with more weakness at their tops.

Testing next tier...

Those are optimals. Max is tough to figure without a friend because I think the missile disappear/explode not very far outside the optimal. Or at least it doesn't show an explosion. The efficiency number isn't accurate outside the optimal for that reason.

ahh ignore this. read it wrong but just in case i didnt. shouldnt you multiply the optimal by 1.xx to get the skill applied?

I didn't see the C27-N Specialist Sniper Rifle up there....it's currently salvage only FYI.

well the large missile turrets range is 1-191m effective 100% even thou you can target farther the missiles explode at 191m IE was targeting installation at 243m with 43% effective but it would always explode at 191m.

LMTs confuse me. The installations have great range, but the one on my tank doesn't even have long enough range to hit a dropship.

I think you forgot to change the value of the 'Flashbow' CAR-9 Burst Scrambler Pistol. It has the same range (max and effective) as the regular CAR-9.

(I just double checked on my alt :P)

thank you for maintaining this

Musta, I use a Charge Sniper an managed to get a 595 meter kill today, so I think it's safe to say their range is still at least 599.

CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle
Max Range: 83m
Optimal Range: 1 - 45m

CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle
Max Range: 73m
Optimal Range: 1 - 29m

On some of the weapons you have XM as the range. What does this mean? And how far is this range?

Woohoo!

Gotta say, this thread is invaluable as the only updated/current/accurate resource about weapon ranges.
My spreadsheet could not be complete without it

isn't the bonus to armor damage on Mass Drivers like 130% not 104%...?

There's no way the scrambler rifle range/optimal can be correct. My scrambler rifle gets outranged by ARs all the time- not vice versa.

Heads up for turrets- I've discovered that while it may say they you're out of range, you're still doing (very high) damage. Checked it with the large railgun on my HAV. Doesn't turn red, but it still destroys a turret easily

What's your process for finding effective range? I really don't think laser rifles damage drops to 30% over 4 meters.

missile large optimal range 125m for all types and levels. max &effective 250m w/o caldari enforcer bonuses.
small missile 100 optimal and max &effective 200m
at max range it explodes while not getting down to 30% so not a true effective but it never goes to 30% so yea.
on shields 48% and 78% on armor (at max range)
131% 69% at optimal ranges for all missile turrets. tested on all missiles from MLT-PRO without any change in ranges.
please add to the list for everyone general knowledge and thank you for the docs.

this should be an ok measurement(30%) for effective. while absolute range is where weapons will continue to do incidental damage without change till max range where it stops doing damage. this is just a general idea that could/can be used for infantry weapons, this might lead to more testing for the longer ranges but would give a better overall picture. just tossing an idea out there.

Made some charts to look at damage over time, and why, when, and where one rifle beats another.

The Railgun range used to max at 599m, although with the latest solution it is difficult to determine the effective and maximum. The target disappears and fluctuates between being displayed or not, sometimes dependent on which direction one brings the weapon to target on it. The targeting information is equally frustrated and occasionally one can get an orange pip but it is not guaranteed.

I can establish the range with a sniper rifle but it too is view limited and used to have the 599m limit as well. However, the weapon effects versus shield/armor are often not displayed even though they can be destroyed. If one does damage the cross that appears after firing will turn red.

The Installation Rail Gun Turrets are not the same as Tank RGT. The do more damage then the 1106.88HP 80GJ Rail Gun. How much exactly I have yet to determine accurately.

My earlier experiments with Forge Guns, after the universal Nerf, was 299m maximum. Step back one meter to 300m produced Zero damage. That appears to have changed somewhat but again target information is missing and will limit the useful information.

Good luck filling this out.

Yes. They used to be able to snipe across the entire map.

Effectively their range was unlimited. Once fired it went until it hit something. Back in Closed and Open Beta.

Then they got the Nerf that has been in existence since Uprising. I don't recall when it happened anymore, just a long time ago and now they are range limited to 300m with an extra max range of 20 more meters. One step past that range and they do no damage at all.

This was a Ninja Nerf as well. If you haven't heard of one you will. CCP/Shanghai waits until you really like something then without warning, refunds of either AUR/ISK or SP whatever you liked is no longer worth having. Fun guys. Gals too if they have any.

The swarm distances are wrong???

That's what I thought..... but the spread sheet right at the start of this post does not mention 175 meters anywhere

I know from the patch notes they say 175 but as I just said the spread sheet does not and this thread was based on it...

have a look for yourself and tell me if im reading it wrong? Optimal Range, Effective Range and Absalute range all say 500 meters

No 400 meters which they used to do and no mention of only being able to lock on at 175.... granted the mislles can fly further but surely the lock on distance should be mentioned, should it not???

Great job. Could you update with ROF and clip size?

Great job..... you do realise you may have to change this all again at some point though... I hope people appreciate you because of this!!

you should use the new SDE

Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle
Optimal Range - 75m
Effective Range - 100m
Absolute Range - 250m

Kaalakiota Rail Rifle
Optimal Range - 75m
Effective Range - 100m
Absolute Range - 250m

IGÇÖm not sure if I was documenting down the wrong information but I would have thought the Assault and Scoped variants would have very different stats! Anyway let me know if you need help with anything else o7

I can do all the Combat Rifles too if you like?

Sorry for the delay, IGÇÖve been very busy recently. IGÇÖll get on this tonight at some point.

Combat Rifle
Optimal Range - 56m
Effective Range - 69m
Absolute Range - 250m

RS-90 Combat Rifle
Optimal Range - 62m
Effective Range - 76m
Absolute Range - 250m

BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle
Optimal Range - 52m
Effective Range - 76m
Absolute Range - 250m

Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle
Optimal Range - 56m
Effective Range - 83m
Absolute Range - 250m

Boundless Combat Rifle
Optimal Range - 67m
Effective Range - 83m
Absolute Range - 250m


Sorry about the long reply, IGÇÖve been really distracted of late with corp related stuff. But here is the stats you requested!

Kaalakiota Rail Rifle: 75m optimal.
Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle: 75m optimal.

Six Kin Submachine Gun: 31m optimal.
Boundless Breach Submachine Gun: 31m optimal.
Ishukone Assault Submachine Gun: 32m optimal.

Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle: 50m optimal.
Krin's SIN-11 Assault Rifle: 50m optimal.

Breach Shotgun: 5m optimal.
CRG-3 Shotgun: 4m optimal.
HK4M Shotgun: 4m optimal.

Question: Post-1.8, is there a new damage/range curve for the LR?