DUST Search - Forge Gun range/damage

Zero Harpuia wrote:

I've crusaded for the Forge before, and now I am being called to its defense again...

The Forge is inaccurate. With the quake during charge, any kind of long range shot is a pure crapshoot. In fact, against all logic, it isn't even hitscan. You have to lead a shot that supposedly moves in excess of 6k meters per second. Plus, it is useless as an Anti-Personnel weapon.

The Forge is slow. Charging requires you to commit to a slow pace, and an inability to adjust for moving targets getting behind cover. It takes six seconds for the Breach to charge, and those six seconds render you immobile. It takes three for the standard, which you can hold, and 2.5 for the Assault, which must be fired at the moment of charge. (I may need to get these numbers again, I was a FG user back in E3 build before they were nerfed.)

The Forge is weak, to an extent. The normal variant can't even oneshot an LAV without some serious damage mods. Its DPS (if my numbers are right) is 400 per second. If you fire at the moment it charges and the shot always hits, which it has a 40% chance to not do anyway. 350 dps for the breach variant.

The Forge is expensive. ALL Heavy only equipment is twice as expensive as any comparable lightweight device.

The Forge must be manually aimed. It isn't lock and forget like its lightweight counterpart. It has an accuracy rating of 60%. Almost half the time, no matter how good a shot you are, that sumkitten will veer wide.

The Forge requires a heavy suit. A heavy without something to scare off infantry at medium range is an expensive prize turkey for any enterprising Assault Suit.

The Forge is meant for AV combat. It IS the face of intelligent AV that isn't a vehicle. It has zero application in man-to-man ground fights.

The Forge is a modified mining laser. That is badass.


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Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.10 19:06:00 - [1] - Quote Seems a little OP imo, the Forge Gun can hit me across the map, I feel it needs to be tweaked slightly. I don't mind the massive damage it does to vehicles if the range is decreased, or decrease the damage and keep the range, one of them needs to change. And before someone posts "NOO FORGE GUN SNIPING IS A SKILL AND IT'S HARD" Doesn't seem that way, every match that I fly in there is a forge gunner that usually kills me, and I try to recognize who did it so I avoid flying the next match if they're there, it's different people every time. -DropshipPilotthattriestobeaproperpilotonlytobekilledintwoshotsacrossthemap.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.10 19:15:00 - [2] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: The don't need to decrease the range of the forge gun. They need to buff the flight ceiling of the Dropship. You're trying to fix the wrong thing. They do need to increase the height, but I still feel swarms are insanely powerful against dropships, it's kind of sad.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.10 22:45:00 - [3] - Quote I thought thats how we did things here? get killed by something and whine it's OP til it's been changed.. Nah, it's just they make dropships very flimsy, and theres no point in actually transporting people because I'll slow down to drop people off and BAM, dead dropship from a cheap forgegun. It's unbalanced is what I'm saying and we need to take a look at it, the lack of love for Dropships is depressing.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.12 14:54:00 - [4] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I've crusaded for the Forge before, and now I am being called to its defense again... The Forge is inaccurate. With the quake during charge, any kind of long range shot is a pure crapshoot. In fact, against all logic, it isn't even hitscan. You have to lead a shot that supposedly moves in excess of 6k meters per second. Plus, it is useless as an Anti-Personnel weapon. The Forge is slow. Charging requires you to commit to a slow pace, and an inability to adjust for moving targets getting behind cover. It takes six seconds for the Breach to charge, and those six seconds render you immobile. It takes three for the standard, which you can hold, and 2.5 for the Assault, which must be fired at the moment of charge. (I may need to get these numbers again, I was a FG user back in E3 build before they were nerfed.) The Forge is weak, to an extent. The normal variant can't even oneshot an LAV without some serious damage mods. Its DPS (if my numbers are right) is 400 per second. If you fire at the moment it charges and the shot always hits, which it has a 40% chance to not do anyway. 350 dps for the breach variant. The Forge is expensive. ALL Heavy only equipment is twice as expensive as any comparable lightweight device. The Forge must be manually aimed. It isn't lock and forget like its lightweight counterpart. It has an accuracy rating of 60%. Almost half the time, no matter how good a shot you are, that sumkitten will veer wide. The Forge requires a heavy suit. A heavy without something to scare off infantry at medium range is an expensive prize turkey for any enterprising Assault Suit. The Forge is meant for AV combat. It IS the face of intelligent AV that isn't a vehicle. It has zero application in man-to-man ground fights. The Forge is a modified mining laser. That is badass. The Forge is weak? Tell that to my nearly 4k ehp Myron that just got killed in two hits, the Forge is not weak. It may have a slow charge rate but there is no escaping it. I've been hit 3 times repeatedly once, the first two sent every to 0, as I flew towards the ground the final one hit me, blowing me up. So things don't seem to add up, I can fly around fast and I still get hit by it. Tell me, you say the Forge Gun is expensive, but should it really have the ability to knock out something that costs 300k ISK so fast? It's just a shame is all. Which seriously need the ceiling sorted but these Forge Guns totally decimate any Dropship right now
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.20 00:32:00 - [5] - Quote Such bads necroing a pretty old thread.. -_- Alright kiddies, here we go: As a competent Dropship Pilot, I still feel there is no point in being a Dropship Pilot dedicated to troop transport, I regularly state that the missiles need nerfing (A Dropship should never be a attack ship, it should be used for dropping off troops safely) but they need to be a lot stronger. In a previous post I typed up a Dropships description, it's meant to be a heavily armored troop transport vehicle, now for all you mugs that keep resorting to "FORGEGUN IS RAILGUN AND IT MUST SHOOT TO END OF MAP COS DESCRIPTION SAYS SO!" Must agree that a Dropship Description describes a heavily armored vehicle, not a lightweight, flimsy, coffin that can be destroyed very quickly. I've also been practicing with Forge Guns, being able to kill Vehicles with great ease. I can see why you don't want it nerfed, it's a spectacular weapon that is good for all types of enemies, vehicles and infantry alike. You say you can't aim it, LOL, that **** is unbelievably easy to aim, you time your attack, judge the distance and release the shot. Stupidly easy. I ask for a Nerf to range, nothing more. A Forge Gun is a devastating weapon, especially when deployed to the correct location. Problem is, it can become unbeatable. I've seen Gunners in mountains just sniping vehicles, I sit in a mountain popping every LAV that comes into the game, before it deploys. Dropships die within three shots of my basic Assault Forge Gun, where ever I am. Take harvest line for example, you get that central point (with the two ladders leading onto it) and no vehicle should be able to move, if you're not an utterly useless forge gunner that is. Long post short Nerf Missiles Nerf Range Give Dropships more armor (MORE DEFENSE LESS OFFENSE) Raise the ceiling height because Dropships can't fly over mountains (Q_Q) (btw, posted this when I was a Dropship scrub and while I still think much of this is true I don't need advice from any other "pilot", I'm quite confident in my abilities. Aslong as I don't freeze that is.)