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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:47:00 -
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everyone probly knows what map im talking about(unless you are a sniper, because then it is your favorite map) but in case you dont, it is the one with only three objectives. when you play it and try not to be a sniper, one of three things happen: 1. you endlessly run forward into the 8 different snipers' lines of sight dieing within seconds. 2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. 3. you spawn at B and get repeatedly owned by that one person on top the hill and he never dies because as soon as you almost kill him, he backs up to heal.
I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:49:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck.
Should they remove the other 10,000 or so maps with similar terrain? |
wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:52:00 -
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Actually i like the map and im a dropship pilot which the ap is the worst for me as im very visiable in the sky
As for ur sniper proplem all i can say is duck dodge dive... u know the rest
As for ur other proplems well build or join a decent team |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck. Should they remove the other 10,000 or so maps with similar terrain? you mean the different mood combinations of the map? if so, then yes because it is the same map. if otherwise, then yes because no map should ever be that awful. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:58:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:you mean the different mood combinations of the map? if so, then yes because it is the same map. if otherwise, then yes because no map should ever be that awful.
I think you're missing my point. Each planet is going to have its own terrain. You want them to remove, a single map. What good will that do in the grand scheme of things, when ANY number of maps could have similar terrain? Should we remove that style of terrain completely?
I think scouting out the area you're about to fight in is going to be FAR more valuable than people can currently grasp, depending on how everything is implemented. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:00:00 -
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wathak 514 wrote:Actually i like the map and im a dropship pilot which the ap is the worst for me as im very visiable in the sky
As for ur sniper proplem all i can say is duck dodge dive... u know the rest
As for ur other proplems well build or join a decent team the map evens out because your one shot kill small missles kill every one and the swarms can't catch up to your dropship any way if you go fast enough
duck dodge dive... where? under that one grain of dirt that we can use for cover?
so the snipers don't need team work but we do? god what you said sounds just like what them AV kids said. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:you mean the different mood combinations of the map? if so, then yes because it is the same map. if otherwise, then yes because no map should ever be that awful. I think you're missing my point. Each planet is going to have its own terrain. You want them to remove, a single map. What good will that do in the grand scheme of things, when ANY number of maps could have similar terrain? Should we remove that style of terrain completely? I think scouting out the area you're about to fight in is going to be FAR more valuable than people can currently grasp, depending on how everything is implemented. i say yes remove that map generation style |
Ironic Kitten
Mecha Trained Assault Cats
23
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:02:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. I'll be opening a driving school for people who have this problem...
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:09:00 -
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Ironic Kitten wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. I'll be opening a driving school for people who have this problem... im talking about when you get out |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:13:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:im talking about when you get out
You're crazy if you think I'm getting out of my 90k LAV for any reason other than to repair it >_< |
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:im talking about when you get out You're crazy if you think I'm getting out of my 90k LAV for any reason other than to repair it >_< no one said it was anything other than malitia |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:im talking about when you get out You're crazy if you think I'm getting out of my 90k LAV for any reason other than to repair it >_<
90,000 LAV I like your style
I prefer the free one so easy to run mercs over, and the tough ones just hop put and mow them down. I love the jagged rock map |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:22:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:im talking about when you get out You're crazy if you think I'm getting out of my 90k LAV for any reason other than to repair it >_< 90,000 LAV I like your style I prefer the free one so easy to run mercs over, and the tough ones just hop put and mow them down. I love the jagged rock map okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:25:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver
I'm a shotgun scout, that map is literally the WORST map for that style of play...I still rock it, I still love the map....see, I don't blame maps on my own shortcomings, I adapt, or I die. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:26:00 -
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i hate a map, the one with the building that is under construction with all 5 points relatively close.
it only is useful to shotguns, HMG and assault rifles. everything else is completely worthless int he map because the sniper positions are in terrible areas and by the time you get up there you get shot by an assault rifle.
but because i am not a selfish prick i usually just switch to militia mode because i know i will die hundreds of times on that horrible map. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver I'm a shotgun scout, that map is literally the WOST map for that style of play...I still rock it, I still love the map....see, I don't blame maps on my own shortcomings, I adapt, or I die. so ur sayn that every one should adapt and use snipers? i dont know about u but i dont want a sniper fest going on |
8404-0000 GREEN
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:28:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:everyone probly knows what map im talking about(unless you are a sniper, because then it is your favorite map) but in case you dont, it is the one with only three objectives. when you play it and try not to be a sniper, one of three things happen: 1. you endlessly run forward into the 8 different snipers' lines of sight dieing within seconds. 2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. 3. you spawn at B and get repeatedly owned by that one person on top the hill and he never dies because as soon as you almost kill him, he backs up to heal.
I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck.
Everytime I see these posts, they overlook the aspect of teamwork.
1. Run Cover to cover, team mates laying down cover fire, actually works 2. Load up the LAV, the gunner will thin out those at the destination and grenades or what not will even the 3v4 problem :) 3. Team work, find a buddy sniper. |
Pwny Rainbow
12
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:29:00 -
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Relax. It's just a scenario/structure test, as with all the other maps right now. If you hate that valley, you can always avoid it in the future.
That, and it would be pretty hard to remove the center of the entire plateau megaterrain.
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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver I'm a shotgun scout, that map is literally the WOST map for that style of play...I still rock it, I still love the map....see, I don't blame maps on my own shortcomings, I adapt, or I die.
I used to not like it as well as a heavy. But now I love charging the hill with the supply depot, taking it over switching suits drop some hives, up links and then break out the forge to take out any vehicles. And then switch to my hmg setup for any one trying to take back my hill.
It sure beats running around the map in a fat suit. Now they just come to me.
I'm king of the hill |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:32:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:so ur sayn that every one should adapt and use snipers?
I'm saying you shouldn't be such a pansy. You should use AR fits more on that map, and troll along the edges hunting for snipers. You should run in between cover, and not out in the open, making sure to jump, duck, and weave when you have to be in the open. Call in a militia LAV if you're too scared to walk by yourself. Avoid the main open areas, and stick together. Call out enemy snipers to your own snipers. Fly a dropship, drive a tank...whatever works for you.
Or just quit out when you get that map. Just don't come crying to the forums because a map doesn't cater to your specific playstyle. |
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Pwny Rainbow
12
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:35:00 -
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Also keep in mind that when you're in tighter structures, it isn't exactly a playground for snipers. That's why, when the ACTUAL battles start, you probably will see snipers staying in the hills while other playstyles stay within structures. |
Kay High
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
86
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:43:00 -
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on average my life span on the battle field no matter the map is about 10-30 seconds. I like to call that particular map snipy rocks cause I tend to live longer when I snipe there. I also run Logistics (part of the reason I live so little) so in order to adapt or die I get on with my brother and run LAV's. when I do this my life expectancy is 2-4 times longer. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:47:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver I'm a shotgun scout, that map is literally the WORST map for that style of play...I still rock it, I still love the map....see, I don't blame maps on my own shortcomings, I adapt, or I die. This map is the kittens for explosions. Every fit I drop in has a mass driver equipped when I play this map.
Also, sig dampener modules & drop up-links make great anti-sniper tactical combat.
Also, explosions. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:43:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver I'm a shotgun scout, that map is literally the WOST map for that style of play...I still rock it, I still love the map....see, I don't blame maps on my own shortcomings, I adapt, or I die. I used to not like it as well as a heavy. But now I love charging the hill with the supply depot, taking it over switching suits drop some hives, up links and then break out the forge to take out any vehicles. And then switch to my hmg setup for any one trying to take back my hill. It sure beats running around the map in a fat suit. Now they just come to me. I'm king of the hill i was reffering to the next to B but thats also kinda annoying |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:46:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:i hate a map, the one with the building that is under construction with all 5 points relatively close.
it only is useful to shotguns, HMG and assault rifles. everything else is completely worthless int he map because the sniper positions are in terrible areas and by the time you get up there you get shot by an assault rifle.
but because i am not a selfish prick i usually just switch to militia mode because i know i will die hundreds of times on that horrible map. so you consider everything else to be exclusivly sniper? because that map is great for every weapon, even the sniper. you dont like it because its no longer duckhunt514 |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:so ur sayn that every one should adapt and use snipers? I'm saying you shouldn't be such a pansy. You should use AR fits more on that map, and troll along the edges hunting for snipers. You should run in between cover, and not out in the open, making sure to jump, duck, and weave when you have to be in the open. Call in a militia LAV if you're too scared to walk by yourself. Avoid the main open areas, and stick together. Call out enemy snipers to your own snipers. Fly a dropship, drive a tank...whatever works for you. Or just quit out when you get that map. Just don't come crying to the forums because a map doesn't cater to your specific playstyle. two things are wrong with what you said: 1. there IS NO COVER FOR ME TO HIDE BEHIND 2. you asked me to get a sniper to use team work. only god can create miricals. |
Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
204
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:55:00 -
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I'm a laser rifle/assault rifle squad leader... I consistently make top rank in the match on my team on that map... |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:58:00 -
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Sandromin Hes wrote:I'm a laser rifle/assault rifle squad leader... I consistently make top rank in the match on my team on that map... 1. lazer rifle has higher range than the other weapons so it is better for that map 2. you acctually use your squad commands so of corce you have a high rank in the match |
Christ0pher Blair
Deep Space Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.10.09 03:24:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:okay fine you dont like the map if you are anything other than a sniper or LAV driver I'm a shotgun scout, that map is literally the WOST map for that style of play...I still rock it, I still love the map....see, I don't blame maps on my own shortcomings, I adapt, or I die. so ur sayn that every one should adapt and use snipers? i dont know about u but i dont want a sniper fest going on
Mercs: adapt to the conditions given to you.
Right now, with limited resources, the map might be difficult or one sided. I never had a problem with it in an assault suit. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.10.09 03:47:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Sandromin Hes wrote:I'm a laser rifle/assault rifle squad leader... I consistently make top rank in the match on my team on that map... 1. lazer rifle has higher range than the other weapons so it is better for that map 2. you acctually use your squad commands so of corce you have a high rank in the match
So you hate the map unless you're:
- A sniper
- An LAV Driver
- A Laser Rifle user
- Blowing things up with a Mass Driver (because explosions are awesome)
- Rocking a Forge Gun or Swarm Launcher (to take out the LAV Drivers)
- Issuing/Following Squad Commands
So, you only hate the map as a shotgun/AR/HMG + pistol/SMG user...except when you hitch a ride in an LAV, HAV, or Dropship to a location with decent cover. |
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.09 03:51:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:everyone probly knows what map im talking about(unless you are a sniper, because then it is your favorite map) but in case you dont, it is the one with only three objectives. when you play it and try not to be a sniper, one of three things happen: 1. you endlessly run forward into the 8 different snipers' lines of sight dieing within seconds. 2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. 3. you spawn at B and get repeatedly owned by that one person on top the hill and he never dies because as soon as you almost kill him, he backs up to heal.
I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck.
Oh please! but with all due respect on that map its wannabe "sniper" meets SMG to back of head. I LOVE IT!!!! when theres a lot! of wannabe "snipers"!! FREE KILLS!! HELL YEAH!!!
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:06:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:everyone probly knows what map im talking about(unless you are a sniper, because then it is your favorite map) but in case you dont, it is the one with only three objectives. when you play it and try not to be a sniper, one of three things happen: 1. you endlessly run forward into the 8 different snipers' lines of sight dieing within seconds. 2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. 3. you spawn at B and get repeatedly owned by that one person on top the hill and he never dies because as soon as you almost kill him, he backs up to heal.
I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck. I have no problems with that map. My squad flanks the snipers, takes down any vehicles brought in, and OBs anyone too far away to bother running over to them. I played that map over and over today, and we worked as a cohesive unit tearing the crap out of everything. It sounds like you need to find a group of friends to play with and coordinate. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:27:00 -
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Jagged is my favorite map, i was all excited because the one map that ruins the game is the old 5 letter map because of the unplayable lag on it. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:29:00 -
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Jariel Manton wrote:Jagged is my favorite map, i was all excited because the one map that ruins the game is the old 5 letter map because of the unplayable lag on it. Agreed. I was in slideshow mode whenever I tried to go inside the compound, and the game was unplayable even near the edge of the map. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.10.09 05:14:00 -
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The only problem on that rocky spire map is how open the god damn objectives are.
I'd love to defend your objective but my fat, HMG toting ass gets headshotted every time I try and walk by the damn thing. They don't need to be in a bunker, but there's literally almost no cover on those things. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
194
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:25:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote: So you hate the map unless you're:
- A sniper
- An LAV Driver
- A Laser Rifle user
- Blowing things up with a Mass Driver (because explosions are awesome)
- Rocking a Forge Gun or Swarm Launcher (to take out the LAV Drivers)
- Issuing/Following Squad Commands
- Jack Boost in name.
Map is fine, but still some places are not accesible by heavy, and this part bothers me a lot. So snipers have fest here, but I work on it.
Heavy-AR user. |
Cooper Eudaemon
DUST University Ivy League
31
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:32:00 -
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Just played through a match on that map where one side had about 8 snipers, and the other team had one or two. The sniping team lost horribly, because they didn't have enough ground forces to hold any of the NULL cannons. I gotta call BS on your complaint, dude. Snipers can cause all kinds of trouble, but they can't win a match. |
Flagratus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:39:00 -
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I enjoy the map. At times it can be fustrating when there are multiple snipers eagle eyeing you from 1000 yards away, but look around you. there is a lot of cover that can be taken advantage of. |
HK-40
120
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:27:00 -
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8404-0000 GREEN wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:everyone probly knows what map im talking about(unless you are a sniper, because then it is your favorite map) but in case you dont, it is the one with only three objectives. when you play it and try not to be a sniper, one of three things happen: 1. you endlessly run forward into the 8 different snipers' lines of sight dieing within seconds. 2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you. 3. you spawn at B and get repeatedly owned by that one person on top the hill and he never dies because as soon as you almost kill him, he backs up to heal.
I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck. Everytime I see these posts, they overlook the aspect of teamwork. 1. Run Cover to cover, team mates laying down cover fire, actually works 2. Load up the LAV, the gunner will thin out those at the destination and grenades or what not will even the 3v4 problem :) 3. Team work, find a buddy sniper.
Almost sounds like you are advocating teamwork. Thats crazy talk Everyone should be nerfed until solo AR Assault Suits are the only viable alternative.
Its the only way to be fair. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:33:00 -
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I think I know what map you are speaking of, but I dont find it nearly as troublesome as you are making it sound to be. |
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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
443
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:06:00 -
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I really hate this map.
Plainly put, its just boring to play on.
I don't do especially bad on this map compared to others, I do well and love the battle ground between A and C.
But the snipers...
I don't mind snipers in the general sence but it gets a little silly when i have 9 enemy snipers, 3 at each flank. It doesn't help much to go behind cover when you face another 3 snipers who can shoot you from behind the thing you took cover behind.
Someone mentioned jumping and ducking as methods for avoiding sniper fire, seriously? What have you been smoking? So I should jump and deplete 1/3 of my stamina or duck and loose mobility? - The only way to avoid sniper fire is to get behind cover (provided there are any and also provided that you don't have more snipers covering from that direction) and run in a zig-zag pattern.
Having a map with 3 high ridges witch is semi-accessable to climb is just silly. The map is a snipers paradise and I go out of my way to kill them. The whole map is a kettle.
I can at least vouch for 10 other solid players really hating this map, there has to be something to it. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:45:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:2. you call in a LAV and rush to the objective only to get killed by 4 people waiting for you
Love it when that happens, 4 free kills |
Xiree
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:54:00 -
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Nope the map was designed pretty tactically... Even though in real landscapes... There is a very good vantage point and only real way to get around that vantage point is to deploy a bracade or have some heavy gun hit it. I hope they throw scenarios in. like that... They always do it with games that don't have vehicles--will make some vantage point that can't be snuck around... But when the game has vehicles... There is never any vantage point that is over seeing everything. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.10.09 23:49:00 -
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"I propose that in the hot fix that is coming up, we just remove the map entirely because it is really making the game suck."
interchangeable with: gun vehicle suit module repair unit healing unit opening credits character selection screen.
what the hell do you nerds want?
to log in to an empty server... fire your weapon into the air... game ends and you get the top leaderboard spot and a billion isk and sp?
you morons. you friggin morons.
and sadly, this thread won't be the last. there will be so many requests for nerfs, may as well change the name of the game from 514 to ToysRUs.
Peace |
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