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crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:10:00 -
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So the other day I got 1400 war points with only 1 life. How? I wasn't spamming off the map. I was putting defend orders on my squad mates.
When you put a defend order on a squad mate then get a kill near him you get 125 points per kill. Then if he kills someone you get 75 points for being squad leading. Each capture that you order nets you a ton of points as well. Putting defend on a squad mates gets you 33 points for each revives nearby. It also gives the squad leader Orbital strikes. Which net a ton of kills. I like to save them up for later battles.
Listen to point is I now never go less than 2100 warpoints and the isk and sp pay out is great. But... this bothers me, becuase I would rather SHARE my sp and isk rewards with my squad. Seeing as kills lead to warpoints and each kill anyone nearby gets gives you 75 points, that's an amazing incentive to be squad leader.
So what would I like to see changed? I would like to see squads pool up the totla warpoints of all 4 squad members, and then give out skill points to each member of the squad evenly. This means that by following your squad leaders orders YOU get more skill points. By having a good squad with everyone doing a good job you all get paid more.
This also makes running in a tank of squad mates much faster for leveling. *this is ok thought because there is a weekly sp cap to prevent abuse* I like how crazy high the squad leader commands are. But I think this game would become better if everyone in the squad sahred exp. At least make it optional? So if I as sqaud leader want to share my sp gain I can turn it on or off?
Anyways I would love if people could talk about/debate the benefits and negatives to treating dust like it's an old school rpg with 4 members that share exp gain. |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:22:00 -
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Ter Ateb wrote:If I'm leading a squad of randoms and no one is following any orders, I sure as **** don't want to average our SP
But do you want to option to turn it on as squad leader when you have a group of 4 friends. This would get you more rewards as squad mates would have incentive to help the squad leader. Right now helping the squad leader just helps the squad leader. I feel like my post addressed your point. Can you please elaborate. |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:36:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:the thing with the tank doesnt work cause inside of vehicles you get no bonus at all.
Ah good to know. wait but you get some warpoints just not squad command points?
what about sqaud members? |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:53:00 -
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Sarra Jardox wrote:Honestly crazy I would not stay in ur squad for long if ur were leader and u were using this idea because it doesn't reward ur squad members skill either; lets say for example I go 20/5 and the leader and other squadmates get an average of half tht and we each get 8 k sp and 65k isk, now I'm gonna be pretty pissed at my squad cus I was carrying them and they took my sp and isk basically, if I were in a squad like tht I wouldn't stay for the 3rd match, only reason I'd stay for a second is benifit of the doubt (maybe they just got the dumb luck of being spawned next to an enemy everytime).
um It does give you as a squad member more sp to get kills near defend points and capture things i tell you too. But it also gives me way MORE sp than you get. You get 75 points for every kill in the squad command zone. You also get bonus points for capturing capture points. As well as killing people I tag with attack, you get 100 points if you kill someone I tag. I get a squad leader commission for each action you complete. This squad leader compensation is 75 points for each of your kills, 33 for each of your assists, 88 for each revive, 50 for each capture. +22 for something and I've seen +155 pop up for something.
So here's a new suggestion. So you understand what I'm trying to solve in the 1st place.
Squad leader warpoint level should give a modest boost to overall squard members sp gain. The better job your squad leader does, the more squad bonus sp you gain. That would make having an active leader give each member MORE sp at the end of the match. The squad leader would not see any of this sp, but wouldn't care becuase he gained a ton of sp without the bonus, and the more he gains the more the squad does.
The other fix is to remove squad leader commission warpoints, but come on.
Also same with orbital strikes. The whole team had to work hard for you to get one. They should get something for it's successful use, not just the squad leader. COME ON.
agree with me lol
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crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:30:00 -
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Sarra Jardox wrote:Sounds to me that you r just a crappy squad leader. in all the squads I have run with, everyone gets similar war point amounts as long as everyone has been pulling their weight in kills and things. Just yesterday I led a squad with my main char and every game we did we all averaged about 3000 war points. The system we have works if u have a good squad leader, if u want to change the system it should be an optional change.
yes it should be optional. But maybe you know something I don't about squad points. How do you get your squad mates to also get the crazy point bonuses you get? Or maybe They do and it's just becuase only two of us are close to each other... I swear somehow I was getting more points, maybe I'm just dumb or CCP should explain how the system works in game please :/ |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:32:00 -
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Xiree wrote:Yea thats just great, but if you get tards on your team... It makes orders pretty useless. And its annoying when the leader is sending people to their death by telling there buddy on the other team, that they just sent the squad there.
Only way I'd not mind being in a squad is if I had actual friends on my team... Other then that I only be in a squad if I'm just looking for exploits or so on...
Sure you can say, well its a team game... But as you seen -- EVEN its a closed beta people still out to try and ruin it, for some lame unfound reason.
Hey, there's a good point. If you create a squad you shouldn't get auto joined into one in the 1st place. Wait a minute hold up. I've been under the assumsion you had to join a squad to be in one. I've been playing on mic with friends, I also get more warpoints. I thought it was wierd. But you are saying that you get thrown into a squad every time you join a match?
That's stupid, if you join solo, you're solo. What if eve put you in a group of 4 wtf? |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 06:08:00 -
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Aighun wrote:crazy space wrote:But you are saying that you get thrown into a squad every time you join a match?
That's stupid, if you join solo, you're solo. What if eve put you in a group of 4 wtf? Just now realized that, huh? Mayhap you had better slow down and take a breather before continuing on your re-design of squad order mechanics. Every single player gets put in a squad unless they choose not to be in one. Every time they join a match. Yes. That is how the game has been working for at least the last three months. And no, it isn't stupid. It is a good way for new players to get an intro to squad orders when a kind and patient vet decides to hop in a random match and hand some out. Some may even realize they are getting a bonus and wonder what it is all about and follow up on the whole squad leader thing.
I figured the team leader in the MCC was going to be giving out orders as well. And those would reward everyone. Why would we need auto squads when you're all on one team? Squads are for an extra level of team work. But as long as the MCC comes into play like ccp said they almost delivered in the lastest patch. I expect it's still coming.
That said it needs to be easier and more natural to join and leave squads even during battle incase you want to swap up teammates for different roles in a squad. |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 07:18:00 -
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yeah I was wrong about that part, I guess It seemed like it becuase my squad would be spilt up. But I'm being told that all players within range in your squad will get the 75 points each whenever one of them kills someone?
That's pretty nuts, a kill go from giving out 50 points to giving out 350, crazy. |
crazy space
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Posted - 2012.10.08 10:05:00 -
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Bosse Ansgar wrote:crazy space wrote:yeah I was wrong about that part, I guess It seemed like it becuase my squad would be spilt up. But I'm being told that all players within range in your squad will get the 75 points each whenever one of them kills someone?
That's pretty nuts, a kill go from giving out 50 points to giving out 350, crazy. No, you misunderstand. The person who get's the kill near the order get's 75 points, and the squad leader get's commission points since he was the one who set the order. No one else gets points for that one person's kill.
see I think everyone in the squad should get the 75 points, or at least 25 points or something. |
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