DUST Search - PETITION TO CCP, all look please

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Berserker007 wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Personally, I saw no issue with the system that degraded rapidly based on match count and reset after 4 hours offline like the E3 build. It enforces breaks in play time, but only by a few hours, so you aren't forced to play only a few matches a day and then log off because you won't get anything else. Even a daily cap would be preferable to what we have now. Speaking of Zitro, he recently started getting 0 SP per match.

Know about Z, thats what sparked this, as when played w/ him on Wednesday, he was getting 120 SP then. We got to talking which is why i did this. Like i said, i dont mind the cap, so long as it doesnt make those w/ boosters penalized for playing, which it does now. As i stopped playing when i was making 2k a game, idk how zitro went till he hit 0.

Id have no problem w/ a reset sooner then a week, as it would allow us to gain more SP, justifiably as we spent $ on boosters for that purpose

CCP nothin said the boosters give u 50% MORE cap it doesnt make u reach the cap faster so in theory u should be gettin MORE SP than a standard no booster guy....50% more (ex: if cap is 500K then with booster should be gettin 750K)

I like the cap tbh BUT it needs a bump i feel the current values are a bit too low
heard it was around 600K? if so 750-800 without a booster seems better imo and 1.125M - 1.2M with a booster


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Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 21:39:00 - [1] - Quote ok, here it is; been trying to think how to write this out for the last day or two, and with Zitro's topic, i find the time has come. Tried best to proof it; but if you still cant comprehend it b/c of my writing, i apologize, and will try to edit it more as time goes on. Dear CCP, From being in this beta for over 1/2 a year already, you guys have made some great strides in this game, yet also great strides backwards. The topic at hand is the SP/SP-CAP/Booster usage. Myself, along with others probably, are finding the new cap most tedious (not trying to QQ), in that many of us have bought Merc Packs, and more then just one (i bought 6 myself). One of the biggest benefits we all agreed on was the 30 days booster. Having said that, the new CAP, and horrible SP restart has made us wonder, if a 30 day booster a worthwhile. As it currently stands, after 2 days of playing say 8-10hours total, you drastically see the affect of diminishing return; along with HORRIBLE ISK rewards (new system, makes playing SL as the only viable option to gain respectable amounts of ISK & SP; which goes against idea of you-CCP saying you dont need to be in a corp to survive. You die either way, but being in a corp lets you SURVIVE in base of getting SP & ISK where going solo is NOT a real option anymore). Going along w/ Omni Zitro's topic on his brother hitting the 0 SP mark; what is the point of having a booster if we hit the CAP or get so to close to it we put the game down b/c of lack of benefit to keep playing. At that point, you would taking DAYS off our monthly booster, thusly making the 30 booster a waste to use, it would be more cost effective (YES, COST, as we are using AUR which is ideally real money) to buy a 1 or 3 day booster at a time if dont have one, but have aurum. Now, i am not as close to the CAP as Zitro was on Wednesday, but i have only played 1 game in 4 days b/c i have found it is a waste to log on and play a game that since the update is "ehhh" at best, and i feel like i receive no real reward in doing so (both in SP & ISK). Prior to this build, i would play at least 3 hours a DAY, as it WAS an enjoyment. I am hoping probably along with others that CCP, will rethink this area of the game in a realistic manner. As it stand you are: 1). Alienating the group that paid money to use items in your game, 2). the Harcore players that enjoy the game and drop most all other games for this since of how much we have been enjoying it. Ideas that have come to me, that maybe other might agree on, or even yourselves as Company would be interesting in throwing around the table: 1). Increase or Remove the Cap altogether, and set the Sp reset to be every 2-3 days, so we still feel the grind, but at same time don't feel like we are wasting 3-5 days of our boosters 2). Allow us to set ourselves to a SP return of 0 (only if have a booster), and be "refunded" the difference minus 24hours in time into a new booster (done on a weekly basis if keep the SP reset at once a week) ; and you would only receive 1/2 ISK rewards. Ex: if have a 7 day booster, and after 3 days you are making only 1-2k SP, have an option to set to 0; then get a "refunded" booster of 4 days (as you-CCP arent losing money, as someone already paid the 7k AUR for it, now just letting take full advantage of it). At this time, i am asking ALL players in the community, to voice their opinions here, to bring light of this matter to the Dev's, and that they can't and should not shrug this off till a new update, but fix it so we can ENJOY the game to its fullest like we have before, and not be penalized for playing a game we enjoy (which is what is has become). PS: i realize the cap is in place for new players; however, this is an FPS (along w/ an MMO), and an FPS by nature isnt fair; in some people have more skill, others more time, etc. List goes on, all i ask is people not use that as a reasoning to KEEP everything as is. If you disagree, there is no problem there, let CCP hear all sides and . All id hope for is the topic not become a thread of spam. Thank you for your time, and see you on the battlefield (at some point) ~Berserker
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 22:08:00 - [2] - Quote The thing for me, is am looking beyond this build. If it says the same it wont work or be appreciated and will lose a player base. What i was trying to get across is that money wise, those of us w/ merc pack boosters and others in general are losing the advantage we were somewhat allow by putting money into the game. CCP acknowledged that booster will get you to skill/gear faster,use better gear faster, but still need to play through it. Now with the cap, if everyone hits the cap every week, the advantage of a booster is lost, thusly we have wasted actual money. Thus we bought a product and in all sense is worthless to use. Only advantage is i might be using a type II suit on wednesday instead of friday But i agree boosters are good for those who dont play often, but if was a plus to those who had them and did play as it allowed an advantage, which is apart of ALL fps's.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 22:10:00 - [3] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: I think it's a great idea to write CCP a petition in order to change something. But I don't think you should be voicing the opinions of everyone that bought merc packs. I bought two merc packs and I don't agree with your opinions that we are isolated or punished. I like the caps and returns In no way am i trying to Voice for ALL, if those who agree, then they agree, if dont, they dont. Simply trying to get as many voices on subject for CCP to see. As even if nothing comes of this, it might be enough for CCP to look into it with a different mind set, as to please and balance it for everyone
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:03:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Personally, I saw no issue with the system that degraded rapidly based on match count and reset after 4 hours offline like the E3 build. It enforces breaks in play time, but only by a few hours, so you aren't forced to play only a few matches a day and then log off because you won't get anything else. Even a daily cap would be preferable to what we have now. Speaking of Zitro, he recently started getting 0 SP per match. Know about Z, thats what sparked this, as when played w/ him on Wednesday, he was getting 120 SP then. We got to talking which is why i did this. Like i said, i dont mind the cap, so long as it doesnt make those w/ boosters penalized for playing, which it does now. As i stopped playing when i was making 2k a game, idk how zitro went till he hit 0. Id have no problem w/ a reset sooner then a week, as it would allow us to gain more SP, justifiably as we spent $ on boosters for that purpose
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:06:00 - [5] - Quote Wintars Boar wrote: The cost to benefit ratio of one 30 day booster is cheaper than the 3-4 1-3 day boosters. Your saving $ Are you? What if u hit the cap in 4 days every week. That leaves 12 days of booster wasted (on a 30day), which id rather then just get 3 7 day boosters
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:09:00 - [6] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: you may be better off purchasing a "1 day" booster and hardcore playing to the skillcap for one day every week than using the 30 day booster, but you're still getting something (dont know the price breakdown). 1.5 mil sp per week instead of 1.0 mil (or whatever the actual caps are) is still a great deal. 30 day boosters aren't worthless, just worth less. I purchased the merc packs, but I'm aware that things will be changing before the final release and they may not be worth much by the end. time will tell. One thing is, is the cap differ for people w/ boosters then those w/o? , as if isnt then all a booster does is let u hit the cap faster, which is a waste then
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:23:00 - [7] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Berserker007 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Personally, I saw no issue with the system that degraded rapidly based on match count and reset after 4 hours offline like the E3 build. It enforces breaks in play time, but only by a few hours, so you aren't forced to play only a few matches a day and then log off because you won't get anything else. Even a daily cap would be preferable to what we have now. Speaking of Zitro, he recently started getting 0 SP per match. Know about Z, thats what sparked this, as when played w/ him on Wednesday, he was getting 120 SP then. We got to talking which is why i did this. Like i said, i dont mind the cap, so long as it doesnt make those w/ boosters penalized for playing, which it does now. As i stopped playing when i was making 2k a game, idk how zitro went till he hit 0. Id have no problem w/ a reset sooner then a week, as it would allow us to gain more SP, justifiably as we spent $ on boosters for that purpose CCP nothin said the boosters give u 50% MORE cap it doesnt make u reach the cap faster so in theory u should be gettin MORE SP than a standard no booster guy....50% more (ex: if cap is 500K then with booster should be gettin 750K) I like the cap tbh BUT it needs a bump i feel the current values are a bit too low heard it was around 600K? if so 750-800 without a booster seems better imo and 1.125M - 1.2M with a booster Ok #s , answered the q on if it changes the cap, as i wasnt sure. But as said/agree with you, ithnk the cap need an increase, or keep the cap, and change the reset period
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:50:00 - [8] - Quote Jane DeArc wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: The SP cap is a great addition to this game and it works as intended. It keeps no lifers from getting too far ahead of everybody else, and it allows for people that have responsibilities outside of gaming to compete on a relatively similar level as the no lifers. If you hit the cap make a new character and try something else. The problem is that the OP won't realize it. No Lifers don't realize how much the power disparity of a no lifer gaining all skills maxed in 4 months is vs any guy who has a wife, kid, career who only gets ~5 hours a week to play. You should play the game because it's fun, get the rewards for function, not to feel good. If you want explosive lights and whatnot with people clapping everytime you level so you feel good, go to WoW. In this game, you fight for experience and money to increase the potency of yourself in battle. If any 14 year old kid at home who plays 12 hours or 5 hours a day can explode into super powerful, it'll discourage anyone BUT no lifers from playing as there will be no possible means of competing from an inferior place. Firstly im not a 14 yr old kid, so dont presume to know me. Secondly, i have even stated the cap isnt overall bad, but the way it is implemented is bad. I dont mind hitting a certain level, but when i hit it in 3-4 days or get to point it isnt worth playing is the problem. I have enjoyed this game a lot, but at moment, but at moment, corp battles are ehh, as only allows 8v8, so people focus on SP, so they can skill up and test. I know this is still in beta, and that i will get my boosters back, but i dread it, if it will be like this on release, i i will feel a bit robbed on how 30 boosters arent worth it.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.08 00:11:00 - [9] - Quote @ Mavado couldnt say why it is, thats what my corp mates said when they attempted one the other day before the sever crashed on them; that it was only 8v8. Gota ask CCP on the one
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.10.08 16:44:00 - [10] - Quote @Cerebral firstly, what is the point of a personal attack, quite immature. Next is, i understand the reasoning behind the cap (which i even stated). Now to the booster being useless; like i said later in the thread if you READ it all, that i wasnt sure if the 50% added to the cap as well or not. Next, if i have 30 day boosters, why would i go and spend more aurum on less boosters; i should be able to use what i was without any penalty. Lastly, i know you can play another character, but i find that a waste of time; i only need one character; and to insinuate that i lock myself in a room to play a video game you are sorely mistaken, as i've said before; dont assume to know me and my living situation, i am quite active thank you very much @ General Topic As i have come to say (if people have read and looked through the entire thread), that i do agree on the setup of a cap, but that it is the numerical number of the cap that is causing the issue; and the time between resets which makes boosters (even 7 day, not just 30), have penalties toward them So yeah, back on discussing ; and please leave ALL personal attacks toward people out of your comments, they are unneeded and immature