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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:00:00 -
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since the update i have only seen one tank and it was abusing the repair tool to get points. due to this there is nothing that can kill instalations and dropships. most AV lack the skill and inteligence required to kill those things so they dominate the battle feild. tanks were generally gigantic targets right in the middle of a battle feild so it took no skill to hit them. dropships are faster and smaller and installations do moderatly more damage than a tank would so killing these things reqire a slight amount of skill, which again, AVs tend to lack. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:03:00 -
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TL;DR- Installations are OP, nerf them.
Joking aside, I think the lack of tanks is due to reduced ISK rewards, so either a reduction to the cost of HAVs or a re-buff to them so they are worth what they cost is in order. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
243
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:04:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:since the update i have only seen one tank and it was abusing the repair tool to get points. due to this there is nothing that can kill instalations and dropships. most AV lack the skill and inteligence required to kill those things so they dominate the battle feild. tanks were generally gigantic targets right in the middle of a battle feild so it took no skill to hit them. dropships are faster and smaller and installations do moderatly more damage than a tank would so killing these things reqire a slight amount of skill, which again, AVs tend to lack. Endangered? Ha!
Tanks were raptured long ago. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:06:00 -
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It's the SP cap. Tanks take a lot of SP to get into. Next week you'll see more. Right now, tank drivers don't have enough SP to get a particularly good tank.
Although, even then, with the orbital strike situation there's no guarantee it'll change a whole lot, as orbital strikes are fairly damaging to tanks. |
Superluminal Replicant
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:08:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:since the update i have only seen one tank and it was abusing the repair tool to get points. due to this there is nothing that can kill instalations and dropships. most AV lack the skill and inteligence required to kill those things so they dominate the battle feild. tanks were generally gigantic targets right in the middle of a battle feild so it took no skill to hit them. dropships are faster and smaller and installations do moderatly more damage than a tank would so killing these things reqire a slight amount of skill, which again, AVs tend to lack.
I take out turret installations in 3 hits on forge (100 WP a pop so worth it), cant take out barracks any more though got a massive Armor boost. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:09:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:It's the SP cap. Tanks take a lot of SP to get into. Next week you'll see more. Right now, tank drivers don't have enough SP to get a particularly good tank.
Although, even then, with the orbital strike situation there's no guarantee it'll change a whole lot, as orbital strikes are fairly damaging to tanks. yeah i just realized my tank cant withstand an OB once every 5 seconds |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:13:00 -
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Superluminal Replicant wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:since the update i have only seen one tank and it was abusing the repair tool to get points. due to this there is nothing that can kill instalations and dropships. most AV lack the skill and inteligence required to kill those things so they dominate the battle feild. tanks were generally gigantic targets right in the middle of a battle feild so it took no skill to hit them. dropships are faster and smaller and installations do moderatly more damage than a tank would so killing these things reqire a slight amount of skill, which again, AVs tend to lack. I take out turret installations in 3 hits on forge (100 WP a pop so worth it), cant take out barracks any more though got a massive Armor boost. sad thing is, no one wants to use forge guns. they didn't before the update(even though it would have made killing tanks much easier) and they won't use it now. |
zdowgg
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:13:00 -
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its the isk i can already drive the stargese with full sheld tank im using the milita turrets but the real problem and this will change in the real game is the isk no one has 2 mil to fit and run a star gese just to have some guy use orbital strike and kill it so between the isk cost and the constant orbital strike atacks now orbital strikes are fine but they need to have a isk cost to use every time or they need to make it ware u must use an eve player to use it but giving it away fro free is ware that problem lies there will be many more tanks and tureets in the real game due to people being able to send money from eve to dust and when they make the orbital strke cost money or something right now its just a bad patch for tanks its ok tho cause like i said tankes are only 2 mil a pop max and that aint **** for an eve player to send and restock i already have about 4 bil ive been saving in eve just to send to dust so thats about 2000 stargese tanks and i get about 4 bil in a month lmfao |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:18:00 -
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So we went from Tanks 514 last build, to Tanks being extinct this build.
what did they change to make it so? |
zdowgg
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:20:00 -
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noting its fine the orbital strkes needs to be cut down to a price or something that makes them more rare but other than that its fine isk will be ok cause when final release hits u can send money from eve |
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:20:00 -
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Pfft.. Endangered? Hardly. I just came from a match filled to the gills with Zion TCD guys and two of them on the enemy team each had one, and they both were top on their team. They also each called in a second one too. So I have to call B.S. on your whole tanks are endangered. If anything people are still trying to spec into them properly and above that they use them sparingly. Which is what they should be -- a sparingly used vehicle in which not only is a force, but is to be feared. Spamming them does not equate that. They're fine at the moment though. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:26:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Pfft.. Endangered? Hardly. I just came from a match filled to the gills with Zion TCD guys and two of them on the enemy team each had one, and they both were top on their team. They also each called in a second one too. So I have to call B.S. on your whole tanks are endangered. If anything people are still trying to spec into them properly and above that they use them sparingly. Which is what they should be -- a sparingly used vehicle in which not only is a force, but is to be feared. Spamming them does not equate that. They're fine at the moment though.
so your saying no one at all got any OBs or AV weapons and also that none of the tanks fired at each other? |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:34:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Pfft.. Endangered? Hardly. I just came from a match filled to the gills with Zion TCD guys and two of them on the enemy team each had one, and they both were top on their team. They also each called in a second one too. So I have to call B.S. on your whole tanks are endangered. If anything people are still trying to spec into them properly and above that they use them sparingly. Which is what they should be -- a sparingly used vehicle in which not only is a force, but is to be feared. Spamming them does not equate that. They're fine at the moment though.
so your saying no one at all got any OBs or AV weapons and also that none of the tanks fired at each other?
What?.. You make no sense. They were both on the same team together using tanks together. Yes, my team got a couple of OB (Oribital Strikes) as did their own team. A couple were used to destroy vehicles including one tank I believe. I was busy trying to win, and could not care really. Also yes, my team had AV (Anti-vehicle) weaponry. Hinting to how they were able to keep them from overrunning us.
So I fail to see you rationalization. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:42:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Pfft.. Endangered? Hardly. I just came from a match filled to the gills with Zion TCD guys and two of them on the enemy team each had one, and they both were top on their team. They also each called in a second one too. So I have to call B.S. on your whole tanks are endangered. If anything people are still trying to spec into them properly and above that they use them sparingly. Which is what they should be -- a sparingly used vehicle in which not only is a force, but is to be feared. Spamming them does not equate that. They're fine at the moment though.
so your saying no one at all got any OBs or AV weapons and also that none of the tanks fired at each other? What?.. You make no sense. They were both on the same team together using tanks together. Yes, my team got a couple of OB (Oribital Strikes) as did their own team. A couple were used to destroy vehicles including one tank I believe. I was busy trying to win, and could not care really. Also yes, my team had AV (Anti-vehicle) weaponry. Hinting to how they were able to keep them from overrunning us. So I fail to see you rationalization. in your previous post you said each team had 2 tanks and also your team quite oviously sucked(or you are lieing) because it only takes one OB to kill a tank but yet three were used and only one got the kill. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:43:00 -
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I will be busting out a sagaris once i have it well fit, so with the diminishing returns you should see my tank back on the field in a month or month and a half lol |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:50:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Pfft.. Endangered? Hardly. I just came from a match filled to the gills with Zion TCD guys and two of them on the enemy team each had one, and they both were top on their team. They also each called in a second one too. So I have to call B.S. on your whole tanks are endangered. If anything people are still trying to spec into them properly and above that they use them sparingly. Which is what they should be -- a sparingly used vehicle in which not only is a force, but is to be feared. Spamming them does not equate that. They're fine at the moment though.
so your saying no one at all got any OBs or AV weapons and also that none of the tanks fired at each other? What?.. You make no sense. They were both on the same team together using tanks together. Yes, my team got a couple of OB (Oribital Strikes) as did their own team. A couple were used to destroy vehicles including one tank I believe. I was busy trying to win, and could not care really. Also yes, my team had AV (Anti-vehicle) weaponry. Hinting to how they were able to keep them from overrunning us. So I fail to see you rationalization. in your previous post you said each team had 2 tanks and also your team quite oviously sucked(or you are lieing) because it only takes one OB to kill a tank but yet three were used and only one got the kill.
You do not know how to read do you? I stated they were both on the same team. Would you like me to draw you a picture? You know what; why I am talking to you? You mean nothing. Am I lying? Seriously? Why woudl I lie? Pathetic..
In short two Zion TCD members on the same team each had a tank, and called in more then one tank throughout the whole of the match. Both teams obtained several OB's and a couple detsroyed vehicles on both sides. It was a good match, blah, blah..
Happy? Is that simple enough for you to understand? Conversation over. Have a horrible day.
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zdowgg
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:59:00 -
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YOU WILL BE SEEING MY STAR GESE NEXT WEEK |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:02:00 -
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Tyrius Madison wrote:So we went from Tanks 514 last build, to Tanks being extinct this build.
what did they change to make it so?
As people have already said before you made your post, they change to SP gains, specifically the cap, and the power/frequency of orbital strikes have made tanks less viable at this point. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:06:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:So we went from Tanks 514 last build, to Tanks being extinct this build.
what did they change to make it so? As people have already said before you made your post, they change to SP gains, specifically the cap, and the power/frequency of orbital strikes have made tanks less viable at this point.
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:08:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Pfft.. Endangered? Hardly. I just came from a match filled to the gills with Zion TCD guys and two of them on the enemy team each had one, and they both were top on their team. They also each called in a second one too. So I have to call B.S. on your whole tanks are endangered. If anything people are still trying to spec into them properly and above that they use them sparingly. Which is what they should be -- a sparingly used vehicle in which not only is a force, but is to be feared. Spamming them does not equate that. They're fine at the moment though.
so your saying no one at all got any OBs or AV weapons and also that none of the tanks fired at each other? What?.. You make no sense. They were both on the same team together using tanks together. Yes, my team got a couple of OB (Oribital Strikes) as did their own team. A couple were used to destroy vehicles including one tank I believe. I was busy trying to win, and could not care really. Also yes, my team had AV (Anti-vehicle) weaponry. Hinting to how they were able to keep them from overrunning us. So I fail to see you rationalization. in your previous post you said each team had 2 tanks and also your team quite oviously sucked(or you are lieing) because it only takes one OB to kill a tank but yet three were used and only one got the kill. You do not know how to read do you? I stated they were both on the same team. Would you like me to draw you a picture? You know what; why I am talking to you? You mean nothing. Am I lying? Seriously? Why woudl I lie? Pathetic.. In short two Zion TCD members on the same team each had a tank, and called in more then one tank throughout the whole of the match. Both teams obtained several OB's and a couple detsroyed vehicles on both sides. It was a good match, blah, blah.. Happy? Is that simple enough for you to understand? Conversation over. Have a horrible day. this is what i read: i was too buisy masterpating to some zion members because for some Edited reason i think im not good enough to even apply to their fagget clan too realize that they could have easily been killed if i were actually helping my team get rid of them. Ofcorse i could put forth a better reason than the fact that even though my allies couldn't kill the hot air ballons that tanks have become i wont because i dont really care how much my reasons make sense. |
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zdowgg
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:19:00 -
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BAN HAMMER |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:23:00 -
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I've been back to Dust514 since Friday night and i've already bought at least a handful of tanks. Sure, i know the Sicas and Somas aren't exactly super tanks but i've had some good enough runs (others not that much). I've also seen a few rolling around but as people stated already, it's early since the latest update and the reduced SP and ISK plays a role in the decrease.
Also, maybe i was lucky but i've only had one Orbital Strike take out a tank of mine and it was actually because i made the mistake of staying longer than i should've in one spot. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:43:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:I've been back to Dust514 since Friday night and i've already bought at least a handful of tanks. Sure, i know the Sicas and Somas aren't exactly super tanks but i've had some good enough runs (others not that much). I've also seen a few rolling around but as people stated already, it's early since the latest update and the reduced SP and ISK plays a role in the decrease.
Also, maybe i was lucky but i've only had one Orbital Strike take out a tank of mine and it was actually because i made the mistake of staying longer than i should've in one spot. tanks can't avoid them because they're too slow(maby if you were already moving i guess but other wise im pretty sure they can't) |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.10.07 21:01:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote: tanks can't avoid them because they're too slow(maby if you were already moving i guess but other wise im pretty sure they can't)
Well, i'm not a skilled tank driver but one thing i try to do with a tank is to not stop rolling unless i really have to. I've had one OB that i avoided, as it hit behind me. Maybe one thing they could do would be to make the OBs take a bit longer to start raining down. Right now it seems almost instant, you see the beams and it starts to drop immediately. Or they could increase the time between individual strikes.
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GM Hercules
Game Masters C C P Alliance
335
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Posted - 2012.10.07 21:22:00 -
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Hey guys!
Try to argue BUT always respecting the opinion of other members of this community. And please avoid all profanity language, is not really cool guys.
Thanks for the cooperation!
Remember : RESPECT to others |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.10.08 00:39:00 -
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I've seen a few tanks tonight actually, Tony Calif and Tyas Borg have them now and i'm impressed they got good fits so fast, like everyone else i put off AV skilling because it wasnt needed and partly due to sinking 500k SP into corp skills and i got slaughtered by Tyas earlier and obviously my level 1 grenades did nothing against him.
Fair play for getting them so early, won't make that mistake again next build. |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
112
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Posted - 2012.10.08 00:46:00 -
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I've yet to have problems with HAVs, though that's mostly because there are very few and I skilled up Swarm Launchers to kill the very few that are rolling around (when faced against an Advanced Swarm Launcher, very vehicles can actually survive for long).
Dropships, on the other hand, are well on their way to being ridiculous. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.10.08 00:47:00 -
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Tanks are far from an endangered species.
In fact, one might argue that infantry actually controls like a tank now so the entire game is tanks.
Jill, don't open that door! |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.10.08 00:52:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:since the update i have only seen one tank and it was abusing the repair tool to get points. due to this there is nothing that can kill instalations and dropships. most AV lack the skill and inteligence required to kill those things so they dominate the battle feild. tanks were generally gigantic targets right in the middle of a battle feild so it took no skill to hit them. dropships are faster and smaller and installations do moderatly more damage than a tank would so killing these things reqire a slight amount of skill, which again, AVs tend to lack.
the less vehicles the better imo. |
Phantom Eren
Doomheim
33
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Posted - 2012.10.08 01:35:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:since the update i have only seen one tank and it was abusing the repair tool to get points. due to this there is nothing that can kill instalations and dropships. most AV lack the skill and inteligence required to kill those things so they dominate the battle feild. tanks were generally gigantic targets right in the middle of a battle feild so it took no skill to hit them. dropships are faster and smaller and installations do moderatly more damage than a tank would so killing these things reqire a slight amount of skill, which again, AVs tend to lack. the less vehicles the better imo. i don't know about better but more realistic to be sure. armys don't throw out tanks like they're candy at a parade. tanks are an investment and should be somewhat of a rareity. |
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Eternal Technique
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:33:00 -
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Orbital Bombardments are the biggest problem imo. They are way to easy to get and land so fast that only the fastest of tanks will be able to escape their full damage. I had a tank recently destroyed when 4 orbital strikes were called in on it in a matter of seconds. As a tank driver, there is little incentive to risk a tank when they are so easily destroyed.
After the last tank nerf, I thought tanks were pretty balanced, they could be taken out with a little coordination, but a good tanker could keep his vehicle up most of the time. Right now u can just orbital spam them until they die and there is nothing a good tanker can do about it. |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T
90
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:22:00 -
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bah its a combination of the resist nerf from last build and the movement nerf from this build. Tanks no longer have good mobility and as such are easy pickings. We will see more tanks when A) we have active resists that auto cycle for both tank types, B) tanks regain the ability to move around properly, C) we can get order bonuses in tanks and other vehicles. |
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