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G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:07:00 -
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Okay so in the patch notes (found here) It says you "Fixed a severe bug in the reward system. Rewards especially in low level matches should be higher than before." Before the patch I would get 150K ISK to 250K ISK per match. Now I'm lucky if I get even 90K. So uh, is this meant to happen or is this just a more severe bug?
Also it's the same with skill points. We used to get 20K - 30K per match. Albeit that was a little high. Less than 9K per match is too low. |
Keradil Ledeuxieme
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:24:00 -
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G Sacred wrote:Okay so in the patch notes (found here) It says you "Fixed a severe bug in the reward system. Rewards especially in low level matches should be higher than before." Before the patch I would get 150K ISK to 250K ISK per match. Now I'm lucky if I get even 90K. So uh, is this meant to happen or is this just a more severe bug? Also it's the same with skill points. We used to get 20K - 30K per match. Albeit that was a little high. Less than 9K per match is too low.
Your SP could be limited by how much you have earned this week - they introduced a weekly, instead of daily, SP cap. I agree with your point about the ISK, my reward for playing right now is losing money if I dare to use anything that is not a militia fit. |
G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:03:00 -
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Keradil Ledeuxieme wrote:G Sacred wrote:Okay so in the patch notes (found here) It says you "Fixed a severe bug in the reward system. Rewards especially in low level matches should be higher than before." Before the patch I would get 150K ISK to 250K ISK per match. Now I'm lucky if I get even 90K. So uh, is this meant to happen or is this just a more severe bug? Also it's the same with skill points. We used to get 20K - 30K per match. Albeit that was a little high. Less than 9K per match is too low. Your SP could be limited by how much you have earned this week - they introduced a weekly, instead of daily, SP cap. I agree with your point about the ISK, my reward for playing right now is losing money if I dare to use anything that is not a militia fit.
I know about the skill points. They just seem low. As for the isk. If you pull out anything besides gear you have blueprints for, your losing money. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:09:00 -
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G Sacred wrote:Keradil Ledeuxieme wrote:G Sacred wrote:Okay so in the patch notes (found here) It says you "Fixed a severe bug in the reward system. Rewards especially in low level matches should be higher than before." Before the patch I would get 150K ISK to 250K ISK per match. Now I'm lucky if I get even 90K. So uh, is this meant to happen or is this just a more severe bug? Also it's the same with skill points. We used to get 20K - 30K per match. Albeit that was a little high. Less than 9K per match is too low. Your SP could be limited by how much you have earned this week - they introduced a weekly, instead of daily, SP cap. I agree with your point about the ISK, my reward for playing right now is losing money if I dare to use anything that is not a militia fit. I know about the skill points. They just seem low. As for the isk. If you pull out anything besides gear you have blueprints for, your losing money.
They lowered the SP weekly cap to roughly be in line with EVE numbers. You'll keep getting less and less SP as you get closer to the cap. Because of this, they've also lowered the SP you need for a bunch of skills.
As for ISK, it definitely feels too low to warrant even mediocre gear, though some of that may have to do with the fact that OBs are so common right now. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:13:00 -
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I think isk payment is messed up it seems 100% based on time in battle and not on kills anymore? Maybe this is by design? They are just testing new systems? |
G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:20:00 -
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crazy space wrote:I think isk payment is messed up it seems 100% based on time in battle and not on kills anymore? Maybe this is by design? They are just testing new systems?
Can't be. I've gotten into a battle and not died (not always but I went 10-0 a few matches ago) and still get like 50K isk. But next match I go 18-7 and get 130K. It seems, well, random. |
Cydrako
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:23:00 -
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The system seems to be based on WP earned. And not just a flat number, it's WP you earned relative to your team. So if you have WP farmers who bloat their scores all game, even if you do well you will get lower rewards.
But even taking that into account it's still low. |
G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:30:00 -
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Cydrako wrote:The system seems to be based on WP earned. And not just a flat number, it's WP you earned relative to your team. So if you have WP farmers who bloat their scores all game, even if you do well you will get lower rewards.
But even taking that into account it's still low.
So the more WP, the less ISK? Okay if that is true, that is complete BS. ISK should be relative to yourself and the more WP you get the more ISK you should get. They do need to fix the boosting issue with the jeeps and repair tools but that's not what I'm here to discuss. It would be nice if a DEV were to clarify what the ISK amount is based off of. |
Tac Com
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:40:00 -
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G Sacred wrote:Cydrako wrote:The system seems to be based on WP earned. And not just a flat number, it's WP you earned relative to your team. So if you have WP farmers who bloat their scores all game, even if you do well you will get lower rewards.
But even taking that into account it's still low. So the more WP, the less ISK? Okay if that is true, that is complete BS. ISK should be relative to yourself and the more WP you get the more ISK you should get. They do need to fix the boosting issue with the jeeps and repair tools but that's not what I'm here to discuss. It would be nice if a DEV were to clarify what the ISK amount is based off of.
The more WP you earn the more ISK you will get. But it's also compared relative to the others so that players who contributed more to the battle efforts overall will get more. So if everyone got close to the same amount by the end of the round, then the distribution is fair. I have noticed this in games where everyone got between 800-1200 WP on my team which won. I got around 950 and took in around 80k. I then played a game and managed around 1000 WP while 2 players scored over 3000. I got 50k for that round.
Still though, compared to the previous build I was managing over 100k a match, averaging around 110k if memory serves. On that build I could afford skill books and afford to buy an equipped dropsuit to use regularly in matches. Now if I fit out one of those merc pack suits with lvl 1 gear (some militia some tech 1 but no tech 2/3) and play to actively participate, I more often then not will break even or lose ISK. |
Sandromin Hes
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:42:00 -
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ISK is relative to a few things:
Your rank on the match leaderboards
WP earned
Your Kills
Etc
I get on the top of the *match* leaderboards consistently, and get around 300k at the beginning of the skill week and 150k right about now, and I have roughly 1m ISK atm (I donate roughly half of what I have to the corp, which has nearly 4m ISK right now) |
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Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:56:00 -
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Guys, ISK is determined by two things. Time spent in battle. And level of equipment the enemy's you killed wore. For example, I got 30 kills on only militia users and got about 60 k. I killed 10 advanced guys, got the same amount. That's why AV pays out so much. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:59:00 -
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G Sacred wrote:crazy space wrote:I think isk payment is messed up it seems 100% based on time in battle and not on kills anymore? Maybe this is by design? They are just testing new systems? Can't be. I've gotten into a battle and not died (not always but I went 10-0 a few matches ago) and still get like 50K isk. But next match I go 18-7 and get 130K. It seems, well, random.
no no I mean time spent IN battle, like around other people fighting. That's what the patch notes hinted at. So sniping now sucks :/ |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.08 03:01:00 -
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I hate to break the magic secert if anyone didn't know but if you put a defend order on a squad mate you get 75 warpoints for each kill HE MAKES, and 33 points each time you get a kill assist on someone that shot him, bringing KA up to 53 points. |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:44:00 -
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They found a bug last build, so they artificially boosted the payout by about 100k. Now it's operating like it should have been the first place. That's why it seems lower. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:48:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:They found a bug last build, so they artificially boosted the payout by about 100k. Now it's operating like it should have been the first place. That's why it seems lower.
Don't you think it's too low?
Or will we get more isk as players use more expensive suits? |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:54:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:They found a bug last build, so they artificially boosted the payout by about 100k. Now it's operating like it should have been the first place. That's why it seems lower. Don't you think it's too low? Or will we get more isk as players use more expensive suits?
You will get more ISK as you move into matches where players use more expensive gear. Or just blow up some gun installations, maybe.
As has been noted, value of gear you've destroyed in match counts toward your ISK payout at the end. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.08 06:03:00 -
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Aighun wrote:crazy space wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:They found a bug last build, so they artificially boosted the payout by about 100k. Now it's operating like it should have been the first place. That's why it seems lower. Don't you think it's too low? Or will we get more isk as players use more expensive suits? You will get more ISK as you move into matches where players use more expensive gear. Or just blow up some gun installations, maybe. As has been noted, value of gear you've destroyed in match counts toward your ISK payout at the end.
Then we should get popup isk rewards when we kill people with a ching ching sound effect. You know what I mean.
Like burnout |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2012.10.08 06:19:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Aighun wrote:crazy space wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:They found a bug last build, so they artificially boosted the payout by about 100k. Now it's operating like it should have been the first place. That's why it seems lower. Don't you think it's too low? Or will we get more isk as players use more expensive suits? You will get more ISK as you move into matches where players use more expensive gear. Or just blow up some gun installations, maybe. As has been noted, value of gear you've destroyed in match counts toward your ISK payout at the end. Then we should get popup isk rewards when we kill people with a ching ching sound effect. You know what I mean. Like burnout
Something akin of this? -> http://youtu.be/Civ2j-qNLgw
But yeah, if those enemys that you have killed in a match weared high meta items then ISK rewards will be bigger. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.08 09:42:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:They found a bug last build, so they artificially boosted the payout by about 100k. Now it's operating like it should have been the first place. That's why it seems lower. Don't you think it's too low? Or will we get more isk as players use more expensive suits?
the better equipment you destroy the more ISK you get that match, so yes. And even if you lose say a really good suit and models you'll get a boost to ISK for de match. |
G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:27:00 -
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I see a lot of theories all saying basically the same thing. The amount of ISK is relative to time spent in battle and your participation (meaning how you helped your team win). I believe if you are the type of person who just likes shooting ****, go play ambush and get your ISK because you will get more than in Skirmish. If you like playing objectives and working with your team, play Skirmish. |
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G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.09 23:34:00 -
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Hey just wanted to update the thread. Thanks for fixing the problem. Ever since yesterday's downtime I've been getting about 174K isk per match! Thanks! |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.10 00:55:00 -
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I made a thread on this too, it seems totally freaking random.
One match I'll sit in my base the entire match and snipe, getting like 900 WP. maybe 15-20 kills, I get 90k ISK.
The next match I'll go out and ball hard with an AR going 25+ Kills and over 2k WP and get 30k ISK.
Your rank on the LB does NOT factor into it. I have a new account that I just started on yesterday, did the same thing, facing players that have much more gear than me, do good, get a minimal amount. |
G Sacred
Rubber Chicken Bombers
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Posted - 2012.10.11 03:17:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:I made a thread on this too, it seems totally freaking random.
One match I'll sit in my base the entire match and snipe, getting like 900 WP. maybe 15-20 kills, I get 90k ISK.
The next match I'll go out and ball hard with an AR going 25+ Kills and over 2k WP and get 30k ISK.
Your rank on the LB does NOT factor into it. I have a new account that I just started on yesterday, did the same thing, facing players that have much more gear than me, do good, get a minimal amount.
I'm pretty sure you betamax guys got the whole defend order thing figured out by now right? If not then I'm not gonna go into detail but that's what me and my friend are using now. Works like a charm. If you do know what I'm talking about lets keep it on the dl. Don't want that being taken out of the game. |
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