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Conraire wrote:

That's not saying much, he seems to hate all games. The Biggest problem with EVE, is it's not much fun unless you're in Null sec or pirating in Low sec. Sitting in empire and watching skills train while spinning your ship is about as fun as watching paint dry. Which is of course why I myself don't play much unless I'm in an alliance in Null sec.

I agree half and half. The skill cap isn't necessarily a bad thing, it evens the playing field.

The only thing I could suggest would be after hitting the skill cap to have it convert all extra war points to ISK gain. But again, unless you're in a corp that believes in sharing wealth, that would also create an isk disparity. Though, that may end up being the purpose of the PVE portion of the game, to make isk outside of PVP.

I could see the merit of using EVE passive skill system in Dust. It would take the focus of gaining SP through Farming war points. It would in part make the skill table secondary or tertiary to actual game play or proper fitting from what you can use. In the last build I only had about 4m SP towards the end, and due to proper fitting, weapon usage, and sticking with teammates could still take down Advanced and proto vehicles, and people with proto suits and weapons. If done like EVE, in passive mode, the first 3 levels of any skill don't really take all that long to train. Then after level 4 it slows down greatly, the feeling of accomplishment you get from going to level 4 to 5 even in a passive system is still there, due to being able to use tech2 or prototype gear.

But on the other hand, there should be reward for actually playing the game.. That could be in the form of SP gain boost while actively playing I think. Say double SP gain during time actually active per match. War points would go completely towards ISK gain, or make War points work like Loyalty points in EVE where you can use them to purchase special faction gear BPC's.

Don't forget that they're going to be adding booster drugs, which temporarily add skill levels or skill clusters.

But, it still doesn't fix the fact that they need to fix the problem of people WP farming, for a great many reasons.

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Katya Thurn Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.10.08 14:30:00 - [1] - Quote Conraire wrote: That's not saying much, he seems to hate all games. The Biggest problem with EVE, is it's not much fun unless you're in Null sec or pirating in Low sec. Sitting in empire and watching skills train while spinning your ship is about as fun as watching paint dry. Which is of course why I myself don't play much unless I'm in an alliance in Null sec. I agree half and half. The skill cap isn't necessarily a bad thing, it evens the playing field. The only thing I could suggest would be after hitting the skill cap to have it convert all extra war points to ISK gain. But again, unless you're in a corp that believes in sharing wealth, that would also create an isk disparity. Though, that may end up being the purpose of the PVE portion of the game, to make isk outside of PVP. I could see the merit of using EVE passive skill system in Dust. It would take the focus of gaining SP through Farming war points. It would in part make the skill table secondary or tertiary to actual game play or proper fitting from what you can use. In the last build I only had about 4m SP towards the end, and due to proper fitting, weapon usage, and sticking with teammates could still take down Advanced and proto vehicles, and people with proto suits and weapons. If done like EVE, in passive mode, the first 3 levels of any skill don't really take all that long to train. Then after level 4 it slows down greatly, the feeling of accomplishment you get from going to level 4 to 5 even in a passive system is still there, due to being able to use tech2 or prototype gear. But on the other hand, there should be reward for actually playing the game.. That could be in the form of SP gain boost while actively playing I think. Say double SP gain during time actually active per match. War points would go completely towards ISK gain, or make War points work like Loyalty points in EVE where you can use them to purchase special faction gear BPC's. Don't forget that they're going to be adding booster drugs, which temporarily add skill levels or skill clusters. But, it still doesn't fix the fact that they need to fix the problem of people WP farming, for a great many reasons. It's seems like a lot of you don't play EVE Online and/or don't understand the connections that will be formed between EVE & DUST. K/D ratios and similar aspects that you see in the usual FPS games will be a minor part of the DUST gameplay. Once DUST is fully developed Factional Warfare and control of space within New Eden will the main activity. And if CCP bite the bullet and allow DUST mercs activities to affect nul sec sovreignty then the kiltten really will hit the fan. . There will be such QQ as no one has ever seen before. Back to the OP I do think EVE Online's skill training system is preferable to the DUST beta's one. I have a feeling though that it will not be changed from the current system.