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dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:33:00 -
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I've been playing Dust for a couple of weeks now. I was sat playing last night and had a revelation - "Dust isn't fun, I'm not enjoying this".
I think I'm not enjoying it for two reasons 1 - I keep getting my ass raped by other players who have much better kit than me 2 - each time I get killed I have to endure the annoying and pointless countdown timer.
Those two frustrations are making me not enjoy dust.
I appreciate that player balancing isn't an option in the beta and I simply need to get better, but could the timer be reduced or removed altogether?
Is anyone else feeling as frustrated?? |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:35:00 -
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I don't remember the last FPS I played that did not have a respawn timer. Maybe Quake? |
HK-40
120
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:38:00 -
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Not really fun, no. But we are testing aspects of a game, not playing the full thing.
I suppose the competitive side of things really means 'interesting' more than 'fun' as such. |
Ayures II
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
103
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:42:00 -
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Find people you enjoy playing with. A good corp makes a big difference. |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:47:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:I don't remember the last FPS I played that did not have a respawn timer. Maybe Quake?
I appreciate what you're saying, but the fact is this is a Beta. That means it can do things against the norm. CCP's intent with the game is to get as much gunplay as possible. They'd achieve much more if they ditched or reduced the timer. And get rid of half my frustration!
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HK-40
120
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:50:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:I don't remember the last FPS I played that did not have a respawn timer. Maybe Quake? I appreciate what you're saying, but the fact is this is a Beta. That means it can do things against the norm. CCP's intent with the game is to get as much gunplay as possible. They'd achieve much more if they ditched or reduced the timer. And get rid of half my frustration!
Well, either way i'm guessing that you will have a 'time delay' even if no timer. Consider, time to programme a new clone after you are killed (with your consciousness) and also if you have to drop in from a atmospheric ship of some form. Any way you look at it there will be a time delay. I'm certainly not in favour of 'magically' appearing at a location of your choice. |
Shiro Mokuzan
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
106
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Posted - 2012.10.07 09:14:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:I don't remember the last FPS I played that did not have a respawn timer. Maybe Quake? I appreciate what you're saying, but the fact is this is a Beta. That means it can do things against the norm. CCP's intent with the game is to get as much gunplay as possible. They'd achieve much more if they ditched or reduced the timer. And get rid of half my frustration! It makes sense, so they're not going to remove it. Do you have ADD? I can't imagine how waiting ten seconds is creating such problems otherwise. |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2012.10.07 09:23:00 -
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To me fun translates to this -> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png (The rightmost thing)
So umm.. yes. I'm having fun. :)
edit:
So what I'm saying is that I tend to die alot. But those few seconds that it takes to spawn back into battlefield with fresh clone gives me enough time to calmn my self. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.10.07 09:44:00 -
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I've found this last build to be boreing the previous build was pretty spot on in my view. As for the spawn timer I think you'll find most games have them now, cant remember the last one I played without one. |
Tal Yamin
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.07 10:59:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I've been playing Dust for a couple of weeks now. I was sat playing last night and had a revelation - "Dust isn't fun, I'm not enjoying this".
I think I'm not enjoying it for two reasons 1 - I keep getting my ass raped by other players who have much better kit than me 2 - each time I get killed I have to endure the annoying and pointless countdown timer.
Those two frustrations are making me not enjoy dust.
Is anyone else feeling as frustrated?? Did you play the previous builds? For me, something changed big time in Codex and I nearly gave it up completely. I used to do Ok in the previous builds k/d between 1 & 2 on most games. In this build I'm getting the kittens kicked out of me every day and twice on Sundays.
The ISK returns are murdering me, around 1/3 of what I was getting before. I thought CCP said ISK RETURNS WERE GREATER IN CODEX!!!!!
I can rarely even fund a supply of Assault-I suits with twin Enhanced Shield Extenders & militia gear to last me a whole game, often resorting back to starter fits.
WTF have CCP done? I can't skill up as I can't afford the skill books, because I earn only 40-50k ISK per match and usually run between 4-8 deaths, sometimes worse! So I get the kittens kicked out of me in starter fits, earn fewer kills & less ISK. Then I get sick of slogging away repeatedly offering my corpse's a$$ up as SP for others and quit.
I've worked up from scratch twice before, but it was never ever this hard, or this frustrating. People will stop playing if the barrier for entry is so hard and unrewarding. |
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:14:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:Find people you enjoy playing with. A good corp makes a big difference. It's amazing how true this is. |
Tal Yamin
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:17:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Ayures II wrote:Find people you enjoy playing with. A good corp makes a big difference. It's amazing how true this is. +1 - I would have quit by now and gone off to play something else without the support & motivation from the corp. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:18:00 -
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Tal Yamin wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Ayures II wrote:Find people you enjoy playing with. A good corp makes a big difference. It's amazing how true this is. +1 - I would have quit by now and gone off to play something else without the support & motivation from the corp. Ah you're betamax too! :) I'm Shaco Mordekaiser, not sure if I've played with you or not. |
Tal Yamin
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:25:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Ah you're betamax too! :) I'm Shaco Mordekaiser, not sure if I've played with you or not.
Don't think so but I'll look out for you in channel
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Dreylor Thunderfall
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:34:00 -
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If you have someone drop an advanced or prototype uplink the spawn time is reduced on them. |
Agnoeo
Jedi Knights.
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:57:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:To me fun translates to this -> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png (The rightmost thing) So umm.. yes. I'm having fun. :) edit: So what I'm saying is that I tend to die alot. But those few seconds that it takes to spawn back into battlefield with fresh clone gives me enough time to calmn my self.
I've never laughed so hard over a comic! I guess I can relate though coming from a time where "GAME OVER" meant you had to start from scratch at the very beginning. Or times you had to leave your system on over night and pray your parents/siblings don't accidentally turn it off, bump it (Because it would freeze). And it would always freeze at the very last level when you're just about to beat the game!!
Putting my past gaming experiences into perspective. Having free militia gear, and only having to wait 10 seconds to jump back in a game is quite refreshing.
I'll get timers though that are sometimes only 3 seconds. Is that a bug, or intentional? |
Shadows Maker
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:53:00 -
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play with friends or find a corp |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:17:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:I've been playing Dust for a couple of weeks now. I was sat playing last night and had a revelation - "Dust isn't fun, I'm not enjoying this".
I think I'm not enjoying it for two reasons 1 - I keep getting my ass raped by other players who have much better kit than me 2 - each time I get killed I have to endure the annoying and pointless countdown timer.
Those two frustrations are making me not enjoy dust.
I appreciate that player balancing isn't an option in the beta and I simply need to get better, but could the timer be reduced or removed altogether?
Is anyone else feeling as frustrated??
join a corp? |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:30:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:To me fun translates to this -> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png (The rightmost thing) So umm.. yes. I'm having fun. :) edit: So what I'm saying is that I tend to die alot. But those few seconds that it takes to spawn back into battlefield with fresh clone gives me enough time to calmn my self.
Comic is pure awesome (also why I play EVE/Dust )
To the OP: Check in with a good squad, or start playing with 'out of the box' fittings. I find both of these to greatly enhance my enjoyment of the game even though I'm still just barely at a 0.5 KDR
Cheers, Cross |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:34:00 -
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Agnoeo wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:To me fun translates to this -> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png (The rightmost thing) So umm.. yes. I'm having fun. :) edit: So what I'm saying is that I tend to die alot. But those few seconds that it takes to spawn back into battlefield with fresh clone gives me enough time to calmn my self. I've never laughed so hard over a comic! I guess I can relate though coming from a time where "GAME OVER" meant you had to start from scratch at the very beginning. Or times you had to leave your system on over night and pray your parents/siblings don't accidentally turn it off, bump it (Because it would freeze). And it would always freeze at the very last level when you're just about to beat the game!! Putting my past gaming experiences into perspective. Having free militia gear, and only having to wait 10 seconds to jump back in a game is quite refreshing. I'll get timers though that are sometimes only 3 seconds. Is that a bug, or intentional?
Ahhh the good old days
In response to your actual question I believe that how long you spend in the 'bleed out' phase waiting for revival effects how long your spawn time is. (Or at least so these forums have told me) |
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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:43:00 -
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Agnoeo wrote:
I'll get timers though that are sometimes only 3 seconds. Is that a bug, or intentional?
Different spawn points have different timers. I have noticed the MCC is super fast. CRU about average. Some drop uplinks are fast, some slow.
But here's the thing, part of what makes the team play so important, if you run with a squad where everyone has nanite injectors you don't even need to re-spawn. There is the wait while you are down, but it doesn't seem that long because you are trying to tell your mates where you got shot, and listening to them getting shot, and so on. |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:59:00 -
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I've counted about 5 responses of folk recommending I join a 'corp'
Even though I'm sure it will make a difference in terms of my survivability in battle...I simply can't be bothered with the hassle. I'm a 35 year old male, with wife and kids. I play games on my PS3 to escape the complications of life. If I have to go through the complication of joining a corp, simply to stay alive, then it's becoming apparent Dust is not for me.
Please don't come back with saying, "it's really easy to join a corp" because my answer will always be "I can't be bothered"!
Are there any lone gunners out there who are succeeding with Dust? If so, I'll persevere. |
Tirnan Azmeji
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:31:00 -
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I can understand the frustrations you are having. This is a game where being a lone gun can be a great way to go every now and then but to be honest working with a good group is best. Though I lone gun quite often as a sniper when none of my friends are on and have fun wityh it. My k/d usualy averages around .7-1.4 so im by no means a amazing player allthough I am working on my skills.
Please keep in mind this is an mmo. As per that little detail this is a game where team work is something greatly encouraged. I was lucky enough to get in a great squad last night and the guys i was playing with were tightly communicating and we eneded up annihalating the other side.
I get that you can not be bothered to find a group of people to play with. tO ME YOUR WHOLE STANCE SEEMS OVERLY DRAMATIC BUT HEY IM NOT YOU BUT YES TEAM WORK IS HUGE AND YES YOU CAN LONE GUN AND DO GOOD BUT YOU WILL MOST LIKELY DIE QUITE FREQUENTLY AS WELL. iTS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:34:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:I don't remember the last FPS I played that did not have a respawn timer. Maybe Quake?
CoD has no respawn timer, and CoD is one of the most popular FPS's this decade, so it makes sense that people that play games this decade would despise the respawn timer, especially such a lengthy one. |
Tyson Mike
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:36:00 -
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I'm enjoying the game thus far. My only beef with it is the matching. Why after one match do we have to go back to the quarters/HQ? Why can't we finish one match and everyone in that match continue on into a new one? It sucks when you join into a game at the tail end of it and then you have to go through the whole loading process to the HQ, to only have to hit up the battle finder again.
I hope this is just an aspect of the beta and won't be in the final game.
Other than that, I love the game. |
Regis Mark V
91
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:36:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Ayures II wrote:Find people you enjoy playing with. A good corp makes a big difference. It's amazing how true this is.
Not true at all. I enjoy playing with my friends in any other game except Dust! |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:42:00 -
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dudleytron:
dude, look at it like this
how many hours a year do you plan on playing fps games? you said you're an adult, you should be able to do a rough estimate to the amount of hours you play each year, give or take. at the end of the year, you are going to play the same amount of hours. playing any other game... at the end of the year you won't have much to show for it. i reference the story "star belly sneetches" in relation to what other games mean. you're a general? who cares? so is everyone else.
at least in 514 if you play for the same amount of hours you were going to play any way, you will have something tangible to show for it at the end of the year. your character will have progressed a visible and tangible amount. you will have gotten better by a margin that is measureable.
the game in it's current form isn't the REAL game. this is just a very limited mode being played by very limited people with a very limited skill set. you have not been beaten by a real clan yet. if you had been, you would have quit. even the corps as they are now are the "best of the smallest amount of people playing the game". once it goes retail, if it has legs, this game will be MUCH more brutal.
consider that we are playing what i think is "highsec" mode. ff is off, health is regen, ez mode. imagine how much more serious folks are going to be about their gear and their wins and their stats, etc. when they have pumped money and time into the game to play it well, not just bunny hop around like autodouche. all this horsecrap gameplay will be getting called out and tk'd and kicked when it counts for real. this no mic crap is a good example of why high sec and null sec are going to be like night and day in terms of game play.
joining a good corp will change your entire perspective on this game. for as bad as it feels on one end of the spectrum it feels just as great proportionaly when it's a good match with coms and team work. once it goes retail you will have a ton of players who think exactly as you do, they don't have all week to play and they still want to get in and play with a team. you guys will find your spot and it'll get better. as an adult i can only suggest to you the mantra "it won't always be like this". wait a week, things will change.
don't let the players get you down. not yet. wait til retail. then if these morons can't do anything but turn it into cod, walk away and don't look back. trust me, you don't wanna go thru another mag. friggin waste of time...
Peace B |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:07:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:dudleytron:
dude, look at it like this
how many hours a year do you plan on playing fps games? you said you're an adult, you should be able to do a rough estimate to the amount of hours you play each year, give or take. at the end of the year, you are going to play the same amount of hours. playing any other game... at the end of the year you won't have much to show for it. i reference the story "star belly sneetches" in relation to what other games mean. you're a general? who cares? so is everyone else.
B
I'm in the situation family, kids, missus, rough estimates don't enter the equation its grab half hour when if and when the family is sorted, wifes ain't verry understanding about games. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:16:00 -
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the half hours add up eventually, too. my main point is: which to you, at this point, is worth more? a weeks worth of cod played over the course of a year or a weeks worth of 514 played over the course of year? which one will you feel like you got your moneys worth from? cuz yer gonna do it anyway, so you may as well play the game you want and not feel guilty about it. and with 2013 and the economy coming at us like a runaway train, trust me, you're gonna wanna stay home and save money playing games rather then be out blowing it on crap unless you happen to be rich.
and i think that corps will need enough folks on at all hours of the day to keep things going so that even if you are on a here today, gone tomorrow player, there will still be a home for you. it helps if you are a good player, just a good fps player in general, but i think again, these corps are going to have to number in the hundreds if not thousands eventually to what this game is trying to do.
i don't think anyones gonna look at your timecard at the end of the week and fire you for not pulling your weight, though then again, some extreme clans would. but those wouldn't be fun for you anyway.
this game will take all kinds. it has to. it needs as many people as possible to keep the wheels rolling.
and remember with the 3 zones, everyone will be segregated anyway. so if you don't want to mess with the psycho clan players, you probably won't have to. and if you do, you will know where to find em.
Peace B |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.10.07 22:11:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:the half hours add up eventually, too. my main point is: which to you, at this point, is worth more? a weeks worth of cod played over the course of a year or a weeks worth of 514 played over the course of year? which one will you feel like you got your moneys worth from? cuz yer gonna do it anyway, so you may as well play the game you want and not feel guilty about it. and with 2013 and the economy coming at us like a runaway train, trust me, you're gonna wanna stay home and save money playing games rather then be out blowing it on crap unless you happen to be rich.
and i think that corps will need enough folks on at all hours of the day to keep things going so that even if you are on a here today, gone tomorrow player, there will still be a home for you. it helps if you are a good player, just a good fps player in general, but i think again, these corps are going to have to number in the hundreds if not thousands eventually to what this game is trying to do.
i don't think anyones gonna look at your timecard at the end of the week and fire you for not pulling your weight, though then again, some extreme clans would. but those wouldn't be fun for you anyway.
this game will take all kinds. it has to. it needs as many people as possible to keep the wheels rolling.
and remember with the 3 zones, everyone will be segregated anyway. so if you don't want to mess with the psycho clan players, you probably won't have to. and if you do, you will know where to find em.
Peace B
Don't play cod mate, and tbh at the moment with this build i'd sooner have a couple of rounds of BF, when I get the spare time.
Been in a couple of clans but when your game time is limited they tend to run with the regulars, (can't blame them) makes getting a game a bit hit and miss. |
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