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TexDuc Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:55:00 - [1] - Quote IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers!
DON RODIE II Deep Space Republic 168	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:58:00 - [2] - Quote TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! lol they should learn from McDonalds and make a dollar menu. That's common sense lol
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:59:00 - [3] - Quote ... Okay? I'm confussed about a lot of what you said other then you are saying they are charging too much for AUR based items? Which they actually are not, and have been giving away the Mercenary bundle essentially -- PlayStation Plus had it for ten dollars (USD) which is an amazing deal. I honestly do not see why you are complaining though. The prices thus far have been ultimately fair, and the (AUR) items themselves have been nicely balanced so as to not cross that "Pay-to-win" line in which would ruin the game. When the player trade market opens finally though players will be able give away, trade, and sell AUR based items for ISK or other items AUR or ISK based. So really why you are complaining is beyond me.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:05:00 - [4] - Quote Resistance is futile
TexDuc Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:06:00 - [5] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: ... Okay? I'm confussed about a lot of what you said other then you are saying they are charging too much for AUR based items? Which they actually are not, and have been giving away the Mercenary bundle essentially -- PlayStation Plus had it for ten dollars (USD) which is an amazing deal. I honestly do not see why you are complaining though. The prices thus far have been ultimately fair, and the (AUR) items themselves have been nicely balanced so as to not cross that "Pay-to-win" line in which would ruin the game. When the player trade market opens finally though players will be able give away, trade, and sell AUR based items for ISK or other items AUR or ISK based. So really why you are complaining is beyond me. I guess that means you are already sucked into the idea of AUR so have fun with that. I'll play a game that charges $59 for the whole game and maybe 3 months later buy a map/weapon pack for another $15 but there is no way this game is worth everything they are asking for. I challange anyone to add up the total if you were to purchase ALL AUR items and post the cost for this game. CYA
Icy Tiger 63	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:13:00 - [6] - Quote You fail hard. You can buy stuff for up to a month with 40 000 AUR, which is pretty cheap. Along with the fact that people are willing to pay $60+50 for addons on **** games, it's pretty cheap.
VanguardCommander Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:14:00 - [7] - Quote TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:15:00 - [8] - Quote TexDuc wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: ... Okay? I'm confussed about a lot of what you said other then you are saying they are charging too much for AUR based items? Which they actually are not, and have been giving away the Mercenary bundle essentially -- PlayStation Plus had it for ten dollars (USD) which is an amazing deal. I honestly do not see why you are complaining though. The prices thus far have been ultimately fair, and the (AUR) items themselves have been nicely balanced so as to not cross that "Pay-to-win" line in which would ruin the game. When the player trade market opens finally though players will be able give away, trade, and sell AUR based items for ISK or other items AUR or ISK based. So really why you are complaining is beyond me. I guess that means you are already sucked into the idea of AUR so have fun with that. I'll play a game that charges $59 for the whole game and maybe 3 months later buy a map/weapon pack for another $15 but there is no way this game is worth everything they are asking for. I challange anyone to add up the total if you were to purchase ALL AUR items and post the cost for this game. CYA Mmkay?.. This is not Call of Duty. CCP has already said that all updates, and expansions will be free to Dust514. So I find this to be a moot argument. Especially given that this game will be tied directly to EVE and the New Eden universe. I was not sucked into anything though. I know what a good deal when I see one, and considering this game is free-to-play, the expansions and updates are and will be free and you essentially honestly do not have to spend a dime if you so choose to do so to play this game is awsome. I chose to buy an awsome deal though. Plenty of AUR to start with and purchase whatever I need. I collect specialty items and it suits me fine. I mean if they [CCP] were Capcom then I'd agree. If they were almost anyone I'd agree, but they are not, and they do not seem to be trying to scam us. Capcom is the lord of scaming. I think you are just confussed about what is going on. I think you should be over at the Capcom forums ranting about how they are planning timed Microsoft Xbox360 DLC deals for Biohazard6 and how they butchered the online portions just to resell them in micro purchases from game modes to maps, and chracters. I mean look at what they did to Biohazard: Operation Raccoon City; they took a complete game, tore it into two and resold you the other half of the campaign for essnetially twenty plus dollars. C'mon now.. So I think you can calm down.
Captain Longhorn Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:16:00 - [9] - Quote F2P
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:17:00 - [10] - Quote Ya i have to agree here, Free to Play is just WAY to expensive for me.

Sodium Snake Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 38	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:18:00 - [11] - Quote Guys, they're charging WAY too much money for this! I mean, really!? Free!? I wanted it to be super-ultra free! And what's this I hear of free expansions!? Come on on CCP, you can do better than that!!!
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:19:00 - [12] - Quote Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Ya i have to agree here, Free to Play is just WAY to expensive for me. Yeah especially since this game is nicely balanced enough to where being in starter fits is not a liability.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:22:00 - [13] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Ya i have to agree here, Free to Play is just WAY to expensive for me. Yeah especially since this game is nicely balanced enough to where being in starter fits is not a liability. Na na na na! Na na na na! Hey hey! Goodbye! All of you now
TexDuc Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:26:00 - [14] - Quote VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****.
Captain Longhorn Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 17	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:29:00 - [15] - Quote TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. D'oh
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:29:00 - [16] - Quote TexDuc wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: ... Okay? I'm confussed about a lot of what you said other then you are saying they are charging too much for AUR based items? Which they actually are not, and have been giving away the Mercenary bundle essentially -- PlayStation Plus had it for ten dollars (USD) which is an amazing deal. I honestly do not see why you are complaining though. The prices thus far have been ultimately fair, and the (AUR) items themselves have been nicely balanced so as to not cross that "Pay-to-win" line in which would ruin the game. When the player trade market opens finally though players will be able give away, trade, and sell AUR based items for ISK or other items AUR or ISK based. So really why you are complaining is beyond me. I guess that means you are already sucked into the idea of AUR so have fun with that. I'll play a game that charges $59 for the whole game and maybe 3 months later buy a map/weapon pack for another $15 but there is no way this game is worth everything they are asking for. I challange anyone to add up the total if you were to purchase ALL AUR items and post the cost for this game. CYA Well, think of it like this bro........ The merc pack cost 19.99, along with that you got 40,000 aurum, dragonfly suit, toxin smg, 30 day booster (7 day boosters are 7,000 aurum), various consumables.......on top of the merc pack/aurum purchase you possibly had before you purchased the new merc pack.....of which also changed to 40,000......so that's over 80,000 aurum right? Ok......now ALL of that will be replenished for a final time on full release on top of any future builds leading up to full release, now considering ccp NEVER charge for their expansions.....you're also saving money right there. There are no aurum weapons/equipment/modules that have an advantage over isk variants, take a look at the stats, and if there is a difference it is very minor. Also, you're saving isk/aurum by having the mag suit bpo's. I've looked at the stats, I've compared, I've researched, and at the very leaste there is only the difference of a few slots....which in the long run make no difference at all (almost the same PG/CPU, same shield and armor) its the modules that make the difference (but also again no difference between aurum and isk modules) I really don't see the problem here. But either way, have fun with other fps titles where you get charged $15 for four measly maps (bf3, cod etc).......bf3......how much did that cost in total? $60 for the game + $50 for premium = 110 for a game that turned out to be garbage.
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:29:00 - [17] - Quote They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:33:00 - [18] - Quote TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. Whoa, whoa, whoa.. You made this thread without even playing this game? Are you serious?! What a crock of sh!+. Seriously. Are AUR based items superior over ISK items? Essentially no, but some AUR based items at the moment this build are BPO (Blueprint Originals) which means that they are non depletable assets. Which comes in handy for thos whom enjoy saving ISK where they can, or for those whom die frequently. The only other advantage is that some AUR based equipment will allow for slightly quicker (usually a level) access to certain items while you are training up that specific skill. However! In the end you are paying for those items with real government sanctioned and back currency. If you choose to be unable to wait and want access to the same thing a level early then you can spend AUR which cost real life currency. Not really an advantage though, and those items are non BPO and are depletable. So they are not "pay-to-win". Edit: What you have to remember though is that at the moment we do not have access to the player market. Which will allow us (again) to give away, trade, or sell items AUR or ISK based alike. Meaning even if you do not spend actual currency on this game and you want a specific AUR based item you can trade or buy it from another player for ISK. Simply put -- [ISK > AUR] and ISK will always be more valuable then AUR. Mmhhmm. Coveted and the essnetial item we (Dusters) all want lining our greedy mercenary pockets.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 103	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:35:00 - [19] - Quote DUST style: Release game for free with free servers, provide regular free updates, and charge for some optional items to provide some revenue, all totaling out to be pretty cheap ($20 of AUR can last you a long time) MW style: Release a new (nearly identical) game every 2 years (or sooner) for $60 and charge $15 for new maps every few months (this also applies to BF to an extent) Tell me which is greedier.
TexDuc Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:38:00 - [20] - Quote Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math.

ATR Kuan Ti Above The Rest 64	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:38:00 - [21] - Quote Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills eve online and the add-on for this game is were thay make there money why would you gripe about a free game and a good free game at that you know you do not have to buy the merc pack or any of the AUR if you dont want to
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:39:00 - [22] - Quote Ayures II wrote: DUST style: Release game for free with free servers, provide regular free updates, and charge for some optional items to provide some revenue, all totaling out to be pretty cheap ($20 of AUR can last you a long time) Call of Duty Activision robber baron style: Release a new (nearly identical) game every year for $60 plus and charge $15 for new maps every few months (this also applies to BF to an extent) Tell me which is greedier. Fixed!
ATR Kuan Ti Above The Rest 64	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:43:00 - [23] - Quote TexDuc wrote: Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math. but at $0 a game and thay sell a million copies now you do the math thay need the add ons to pay for server support and this is not going to be a game like call of duty after a year there done with keeping up on the servers
ATR Kuan Ti Above The Rest 64	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:44:00 - [24] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Ayures II wrote: DUST style: Release game for free with free servers, provide regular free updates, and charge for some optional items to provide some revenue, all totaling out to be pretty cheap ($20 of AUR can last you a long time) Call of Duty Activision robber baron style: Release a new (nearly identical) game every year for $60 plus and charge $15 for new maps every few months (this also applies to BF to an extent) Tell me which is greedier. Fixed! +1 what I was trying to say
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:46:00 - [25] - Quote ATR Kuan Ti wrote: TexDuc wrote: Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math. but at $0 a game and thay sell a million copies now you do the math thay need the add ons to pay for server support and this is not going to be a game like call of duty after a year there done with keeping up on the servers ... Activision does not run servers for any console based Call of Duty title though. PC is the only port to actually support real servers. The only servers you must be thinking of are the initial matchmaking servers where it links the players together. That is all they do though; after which it is a peer-to-peer based connection and an individual console is named host.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:46:00 - [26] - Quote Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills how about they sack the ******* rubish and only usee the good people?
TexDuc Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. Whoa, whoa, whoa.. You made this thread without even playing this game? Are you serious?! What a crock of sh!+. Seriously. Are AUR based items superior over ISK items? Essentially no, but some AUR based items at the moment this build are BPO (Blueprint Originals) which means that they are non depletable assets. Which comes in handy for thos whom enjoy saving ISK where they can, or for those whom die frequently. The only other advantage is that some AUR based equipment will allow for slightly quicker (usually a level) access to certain items while you are training up that specific skill. However! In the end you are paying for those items with real government sanctioned and back currency. If you choose to be unable to wait and want access to the same thing a level early then you can spend AUR which cost real life currency. Not really an advantage though, and those items are non BPO and are depletable. So they are not "pay-to-win". Edit: What you have to remember though is that at the moment we do not have access to the player market. Which will allow us (again) to give away, trade, or sell items AUR or ISK based alike. Meaning even if you do not spend actual currency on this game and you want a specific AUR based item you can trade or buy it from another player for ISK. Simply put -- [ISK > AUR] and ISK will always be more valuable then AUR. Mmhhmm. Coveted and the essnetial item we (Dusters) all want lining our greedy mercenary pockets. I did play the game but was turned off by the mic not working so didn't get that deep into it; does it take AUR to activiate the mic? So you did point out some real advantages of AUR items but you said there is "essentially" no advantage... are you a politician? lol Anyway Thanks for the input y'all; maybe I'll have a closer look at it and give it another chance. If it's true of what you say that only $20 of AUR would buy me everything I need in there then it would be in line with the norm.
ATR Kuan Ti Above The Rest 64	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:50:00 - [28] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: ATR Kuan Ti wrote: TexDuc wrote: Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math. but at $0 a game and thay sell a million copies now you do the math thay need the add ons to pay for server support and this is not going to be a game like call of duty after a year there done with keeping up on the servers ... Activision does not run servers for any console based Call of Duty title though. PC is the only port to actually support real servers. The only servers you must be thinking of are the initial matchmaking servers where it links the players together. That is all they do though; after which it is a peer-to-peer based connection and an individual console is named host. Socom had servers and now dust has severs thats my point COD never had servers but there charging 59 for a game then 50 for elite wich was down half of the year
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:51:00 - [29] - Quote 20$ is more than enough. I havnt put a cent into this game(yet) and i do just fine. Go to your options and make sure you activate voice, also in the select screen turn Push to Talk off. It doesn't cost AUR to use ur mic lol.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 172	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:51:00 - [30] - Quote TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. You...You...You just obviously don't know how the game works here...I mean...Really tho? Have you tried to play the game? It doesn't take forever to earn enough to compete...people have been sticking to the starter ARs on the battlefield and have been dominating...and in fact you just mostly need to work on your SP and the ISK should pour in if you play smart. And wtf is this with American Politics? You feel some type of way bro? Corruption is everywhere no matter where you live as long as people can have authority over you. >_> Learn to play before you open your mouth about how bad the game is.

Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:58:00 - [31] - Quote Some of price shock could be they multiplied all aur prices by 10 and give x10 as much aur for same price in ps store. If you didn't notice that All the militia infantry items can be bought for 510aur, It's what, $5 for 10,000aur? So, 26 cents. Raven/valor/sever suits about $6 each. So, basically merc pack for $20, don't need anything else, or free with beta code. Look at wow, $60 for game($20 now, but 60 at first), 4 expansions for $45 each(when new, price drops over time), $13.99 per month. So, $240+ subscriptions, could be few thousand if long time player. Or even look at need for speed, new game every year. Really the same game with added features, but others removed. So, worse then if it was just new $60 expansion each year, or $5 month sub to get them. You don't need every item, it would take years to get skills to use them all, how many cod games would come out by then? I like CCP's plan for this game, playing for free is viable. People with more money then time can sink a fortune in if they want. Personally, I have spent 510aur so far, out of my 145,000. Only thing I will buy are bpo(I hope they never have adv or proto, that wold cross pay-to-win line) and skil boosters. One time $60 wouldn't work if player base is mainly veterans, they would have to charge for the expansions. Since the way ccp makes expansions requires them to log in, it would be barrier for new players. EvE has what, 11-12. Imagine trying to get somebody to buy game and 11 expansions to start at 200k sp, when other may have 80million. It would make player base very small and shrinking.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 20:59:00 - [32] - Quote TexDuc wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. Whoa, whoa, whoa.. You made this thread without even playing this game? Are you serious?! What a crock of sh!+. Seriously. Are AUR based items superior over ISK items? Essentially no, but some AUR based items at the moment this build are BPO (Blueprint Originals) which means that they are non depletable assets. Which comes in handy for thos whom enjoy saving ISK where they can, or for those whom die frequently. The only other advantage is that some AUR based equipment will allow for slightly quicker (usually a level) access to certain items while you are training up that specific skill. However! In the end you are paying for those items with real government sanctioned and back currency. If you choose to be unable to wait and want access to the same thing a level early then you can spend AUR which cost real life currency. Not really an advantage though, and those items are non BPO and are depletable. So they are not "pay-to-win". Edit: What you have to remember though is that at the moment we do not have access to the player market. Which will allow us (again) to give away, trade, or sell items AUR or ISK based alike. Meaning even if you do not spend actual currency on this game and you want a specific AUR based item you can trade or buy it from another player for ISK. Simply put -- [ISK > AUR] and ISK will always be more valuable then AUR. Mmhhmm. Coveted and the essnetial item we (Dusters) all want lining our greedy mercenary pockets. I did play the game but was turned off by the mic not working so didn't get that deep into it; does it take AUR to activiate the mic? So you did point out some real advantages of AUR items but you said there is "essentially" no advantage... are you a politician? lol Anyway Thanks for the input y'all; maybe I'll have a closer look at it and give it another chance. If it's true of what you say that only $20 of AUR would buy me everything I need in there then it would be in line with the norm. Well in-game and on the battlefield they have no advantage. Am I politician? No. I'm not greedy, or slimy enough to be one honestly. Nonetheless the AUR items overall have no actual advantage to where it makes a real difference. It still cost you real government backed currency and at best it is either low leveled tech that is non depletable, or the majority; which is depletable, and allows a level early of access to gear everyone will have access to in time, or with enough planning to accurately achieve it early enough. Either way everyone who has an account will achieve some level at some point. As for the microphone; No, it is not pay-to-use. The mic setting is native [Off], and so is hands free. Meaning you'll have to go to your options and turn [On] the mic itself for in-game use, and if you want to keep push-to-talk on then you may, or you may switch to hands free. The only mic you will have to pay for is UVT (Universal Voice Transmitter) which allows you a Duster mercenary to talk to EVE and Capsuleer players actually playing in EVE real time whom are in your alliance, or corporation. Which is actually fair since essentially a small portion of EVE players monthly subscription is used to pay for a third party chat party for continued excellence. So paying a small fee is not a ridiculous idea to chat with everyone in your corporation on the microphone. However! The way it is setup at the moment it is not reasonable. Instead of a one time monthly fee for a small servicable price you will have to pay by the day upto the week. Atleast last I checked it was setup as such. We're still hoping that CCP will rectify this and make it a monthly fee for those whom need or want it enough. Text chat and squad micrpohone chat are both free to use by you the player though.
TexDuc Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:01:00 - [33] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. You...You...You just obviously don't know how the game works here...I mean...Really tho? Have you tried to play the game? It doesn't take forever to earn enough to compete...people have been sticking to the starter ARs on the battlefield and have been dominating...and in fact you just mostly need to work on your SP and the ISK should pour in if you play smart. And wtf is this with American Politics? You feel some type of way bro? Corruption is everywhere no matter where you live as long as people can have authority over you. >_> Learn to play before you open your mouth about how bad the game is. LOL yes I feel some type of way about it bro; Sick is how I feel about it. It's a shame what's happened to the constitutional republic; the constitution has been torn up ans used as toilet paper. The communist corporatocracy has taken over and people are being enslaved to the debt they don't even own. There is a huge parallel between DUST and American politics; more than you know because most people would rather watch football or american idol or play DUST than take an interest to the Truth about your political reality show. Obama and Romney are laughing at everyone because they have most people fooled into thinking there are two choices when there is not. Get back to work slaves. lol
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:03:00 - [34] - Quote ATR Kuan Ti wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: ATR Kuan Ti wrote: TexDuc wrote: Saiibot wrote: They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math. but at $0 a game and thay sell a million copies now you do the math thay need the add ons to pay for server support and this is not going to be a game like call of duty after a year there done with keeping up on the servers ... Activision does not run servers for any console based Call of Duty title though. PC is the only port to actually support real servers. The only servers you must be thinking of are the initial matchmaking servers where it links the players together. That is all they do though; after which it is a peer-to-peer based connection and an individual console is named host. Socom had servers and now dust has severs thats my point COD never had servers but there charging 59 for a game then 50 for elite wich was down half of the year Yeah I understand what you are saying. I honestly can stand playing games though unless they have actual servers, or at the very least server selection. Matchmaking sucks balls!
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:04:00 - [35] - Quote Every company needs to make a profit, they just use different business models. Even "Free" services like FB or broadcast TV make you pay by being subject to advertising. Remember, profit is not a dirty word (or it would have come out as kitten). F2P means profit will come from micro transactions which in this game are entirely optional. I've been playing for some time now and can say that it is not P2W. You may have a strong preference for pay once play forever, but that's just an illusion. If you played CoD as I used to, it's $60/year for the current version, plus around $60 for map packs for that year. That's $120/year to keep up with the player community. So spending less than $120 a year on DUST would make it less expensive than CoD. It is possible to play entirely free in DUST if you don't mind working at it a bit harder.
Ambival Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:14:00 - [36] - Quote So what you're saying is that the FREE game they are publishing, the FREE servers and infrastructure, the FREE support, the FREE forums, the FREE items are not all that you're entitled to? They have the audacity to want to be paid for their efforts as well?! No... that's "greedy" and they deserve to fail, obviously! Perhaps you should point us to the URL where we can sign up for the same that you have developed, so we can show everyone how self-entitled we are!
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 172	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:14:00 - [37] - Quote TexDuc wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. You...You...You just obviously don't know how the game works here...I mean...Really tho? Have you tried to play the game? It doesn't take forever to earn enough to compete...people have been sticking to the starter ARs on the battlefield and have been dominating...and in fact you just mostly need to work on your SP and the ISK should pour in if you play smart. And wtf is this with American Politics? You feel some type of way bro? Corruption is everywhere no matter where you live as long as people can have authority over you. >_> Learn to play before you open your mouth about how bad the game is. LOL yes I feel some type of way about it bro; Sick is how I feel about it. It's a shame what's happened to the constitutional republic; the constitution has been torn up ans used as toilet paper. The communist corporatocracy has taken over and people are being enslaved to the debt they don't even own. There is a huge parallel between DUST and American politics; more than you know because most people would rather watch football or american idol or play DUST than take an interest to the Truth about your political reality show. Obama and Romney are laughing at everyone because they have most people fooled into thinking there are two choices when there is not. Get back to work slaves. lol >______________________________________________> Are you seriously doing this right now? Take the politics elsewhere scrub. I could give a kitten less about your feels on politics and I'm sure others agree. This is not the time or place for all of that. I'm pretty sure people in other countries don't want to hear about US politics and in fact even the US citizens don't want to hear about it because of kittens like you who want to go all "supremacy order" on us every time we bring up just the smallest politically associated issue. And apparently you're one of those people as well if you brought this crap on a BETA TESTING FORUM. You don't have to pay for Aurum gear because you don't need it to win. I didn't pay for Aurum gear last build and I was more than happy because that means it's not P2W but F2P.
Vermendi Mercana 5	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:26:00 - [38] - Quote TexDuc wrote: IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! So Dust is going to fund itself? 15$ a month or a cash shop take your pick. fk people are so ignorant
VanguardCommander Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:44:00 - [39] - Quote Ayures II wrote: DUST style: Release game for free with free servers, provide regular free updates, and charge for some optional items to provide some revenue, all totaling out to be pretty cheap ($20 of AUR can last you a long time) MW style: Release a new (nearly identical) game every 2 years (or sooner) for $60 and charge $15 for new maps every few months (this also applies to BF to an extent) Tell me which is greedier. ^ You CANT beat this logic
VanguardCommander Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:47:00 - [40] - Quote TexDuc wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: TexDuc wrote: VanguardCommander wrote: [quote=TexDuc]IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59? Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway. As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. You...You...You just obviously don't know how the game works here...I mean...Really tho? Have you tried to play the game? It doesn't take forever to earn enough to compete...people have been sticking to the starter ARs on the battlefield and have been dominating...and in fact you just mostly need to work on your SP and the ISK should pour in if you play smart. And wtf is this with American Politics? You feel some type of way bro? Corruption is everywhere no matter where you live as long as people can have authority over you. >_> Learn to play before you open your mouth about how bad the game is. LOL yes I feel some type of way about it bro; Sick is how I feel about it. It's a shame what's happened to the constitutional republic; the constitution has been torn up ans used as toilet paper. The communist corporatocracy has taken over and people are being enslaved to the debt they don't even own. There is a huge parallel between DUST and American politics; more than you know because most people would rather watch football or american idol or play DUST than take an interest to the Truth about your political reality show. Obama and Romney are laughing at everyone because they have most people fooled into thinking there are two choices when there is not. Get back to work slaves. lol[/quot It's official your a troll

crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:49:00 - [41] - Quote Baracka Flocka Flame wrote: Ya i have to agree here, Free to Play is just WAY to expensive for me. They are charging like 3 cents per item what are you people going on about
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 21:54:00 - [42] - Quote try and nickle and dime me. then ask gabe why i gave his company so much money. ***** idiots. jesus we have cocks like that ** 1 page back. vanguard twattyusahead. people like you make me not like americans even more.


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