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Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:59:00 -
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... Okay? I'm confussed about a lot of what you said other then you are saying they are charging too much for AUR based items? Which they actually are not, and have been giving away the Mercenary bundle essentially -- PlayStation Plus had it for ten dollars (USD) which is an amazing deal. I honestly do not see why you are complaining though. The prices thus far have been ultimately fair, and the (AUR) items themselves have been nicely balanced so as to not cross that "Pay-to-win" line in which would ruin the game. When the player trade market opens finally though players will be able give away, trade, and sell AUR based items for ISK or other items AUR or ISK based. So really why you are complaining is beyond me. |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:15:00 -
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TexDuc wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
... Okay? I'm confussed about a lot of what you said other then you are saying they are charging too much for AUR based items? Which they actually are not, and have been giving away the Mercenary bundle essentially -- PlayStation Plus had it for ten dollars (USD) which is an amazing deal. I honestly do not see why you are complaining though. The prices thus far have been ultimately fair, and the (AUR) items themselves have been nicely balanced so as to not cross that "Pay-to-win" line in which would ruin the game. When the player trade market opens finally though players will be able give away, trade, and sell AUR based items for ISK or other items AUR or ISK based. So really why you are complaining is beyond me.
I guess that means you are already sucked into the idea of AUR so have fun with that. I'll play a game that charges $59 for the whole game and maybe 3 months later buy a map/weapon pack for another $15 but there is no way this game is worth everything they are asking for. I challange anyone to add up the total if you were to purchase ALL AUR items and post the cost for this game. CYA
Mmkay?.. This is not Call of Duty. CCP has already said that all updates, and expansions will be free to Dust514. So I find this to be a moot argument. Especially given that this game will be tied directly to EVE and the New Eden universe. I was not sucked into anything though. I know what a good deal when I see one, and considering this game is free-to-play, the expansions and updates are and will be free and you essentially honestly do not have to spend a dime if you so choose to do so to play this game is awsome. I chose to buy an awsome deal though. Plenty of AUR to start with and purchase whatever I need. I collect specialty items and it suits me fine. I mean if they [CCP] were Capcom then I'd agree. If they were almost anyone I'd agree, but they are not, and they do not seem to be trying to scam us. Capcom is the lord of scaming. I think you are just confussed about what is going on.
I think you should be over at the Capcom forums ranting about how they are planning timed Microsoft Xbox360 DLC deals for Biohazard6 and how they butchered the online portions just to resell them in micro purchases from game modes to maps, and chracters. I mean look at what they did to Biohazard: Operation Raccoon City; they took a complete game, tore it into two and resold you the other half of the campaign for essnetially twenty plus dollars. C'mon now.. So I think you can calm down. |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:19:00 -
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Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Ya i have to agree here, Free to Play is just WAY to expensive for me.
Yeah especially since this game is nicely balanced enough to where being in starter fits is not a liability.  |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:33:00 -
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TexDuc wrote:VanguardCommander wrote:TexDuc wrote:IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59?
Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway.
As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away.  Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.. You made this thread without even playing this game? Are you serious?! What a crock of sh!+. Seriously.
Are AUR based items superior over ISK items? Essentially no, but some AUR based items at the moment this build are BPO (Blueprint Originals) which means that they are non depletable assets. Which comes in handy for thos whom enjoy saving ISK where they can, or for those whom die frequently. The only other advantage is that some AUR based equipment will allow for slightly quicker (usually a level) access to certain items while you are training up that specific skill. However! In the end you are paying for those items with real government sanctioned and back currency. If you choose to be unable to wait and want access to the same thing a level early then you can spend AUR which cost real life currency. Not really an advantage though, and those items are non BPO and are depletable. So they are not "pay-to-win".
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What you have to remember though is that at the moment we do not have access to the player market. Which will allow us (again) to give away, trade, or sell items AUR or ISK based alike. Meaning even if you do not spend actual currency on this game and you want a specific AUR based item you can trade or buy it from another player for ISK.
Simply put -- [ISK > AUR] and ISK will always be more valuable then AUR. Mmhhmm. Coveted and the essnetial item we (Dusters) all want lining our greedy mercenary pockets. |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:39:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:DUST style: Release game for free with free servers, provide regular free updates, and charge for some optional items to provide some revenue, all totaling out to be pretty cheap ($20 of AUR can last you a long time)
Call of Duty Activision robber baron style: Release a new (nearly identical) game every year for $60 plus and charge $15 for new maps every few months (this also applies to BF to an extent)
Tell me which is greedier.
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Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:46:00 -
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ATR Kuan Ti wrote:TexDuc wrote:Saiibot wrote:They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math. but at $0 a game and thay sell a million copies now you do the math thay need the add ons to pay for server support and this is not going to be a game like call of duty after a year there done with keeping up on the servers
... Activision does not run servers for any console based Call of Duty title though. PC is the only port to actually support real servers. The only servers you must be thinking of are the initial matchmaking servers where it links the players together. That is all they do though; after which it is a peer-to-peer based connection and an individual console is named host. |
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Posted - 2012.10.05 20:59:00 -
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TexDuc wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:TexDuc wrote:VanguardCommander wrote:TexDuc wrote:IMHO DUST will fail because the dev team is greedy. They are selling virtual stuff which has no real cost to make and absolutely NO value so why would they say a dropsuit has a value of $50 and tjen try to sell it for $15 when you can buy a whole new game for $59?
Everything time you turn around they want more money for nothing. If they were smart they would charge $1 for everything then maybe people wouldn't stop playing the game; not that it's a great game and people wouldn't quit anyway.
As soon as I saw how many items were charging the outrageous prices I uninstalled; See YA, Good luck suckers! Here's a simple answer: dont buy the Aurm then and play with the isk. It simple really no one's forcing you to buy the Aurm and the game is "free" if you take that away. Does it put me at a disadvantage to play with ISK items against someone who does spend real money on AUR items? I gues my question is are AUR item superior to ISK items? Another problem with only using ISK is that it takes forever to earn enough to compete with someone who could "rank up" instantly with cash; it's kind of a corrupt system; like American politics... lol no wonder most of you love this ****. Whoa, whoa, whoa.. You made this thread without even playing this game? Are you serious?! What a crock of sh!+. Seriously. Are AUR based items superior over ISK items? Essentially no, but some AUR based items at the moment this build are BPO (Blueprint Originals) which means that they are non depletable assets. Which comes in handy for thos whom enjoy saving ISK where they can, or for those whom die frequently. The only other advantage is that some AUR based equipment will allow for slightly quicker (usually a level) access to certain items while you are training up that specific skill. However! In the end you are paying for those items with real government sanctioned and back currency. If you choose to be unable to wait and want access to the same thing a level early then you can spend AUR which cost real life currency. Not really an advantage though, and those items are non BPO and are depletable. So they are not "pay-to-win". Edit: What you have to remember though is that at the moment we do not have access to the player market. Which will allow us (again) to give away, trade, or sell items AUR or ISK based alike. Meaning even if you do not spend actual currency on this game and you want a specific AUR based item you can trade or buy it from another player for ISK. Simply put -- [ISK > AUR] and ISK will always be more valuable then AUR. Mmhhmm. Coveted and the essnetial item we (Dusters) all want lining our greedy mercenary pockets. I did play the game but was turned off by the mic not working so didn't get that deep into it; does it take AUR to activiate the mic? So you did point out some real advantages of AUR items but you said there is "essentially" no advantage... are you a politician? lol Anyway Thanks for the input y'all; maybe I'll have a closer look at it and give it another chance. If it's true of what you say that only $20 of AUR would buy me everything I need in there then it would be in line with the norm.
Well in-game and on the battlefield they have no advantage. Am I politician? No. I'm not greedy, or slimy enough to be one honestly. Nonetheless the AUR items overall have no actual advantage to where it makes a real difference. It still cost you real government backed currency and at best it is either low leveled tech that is non depletable, or the majority; which is depletable, and allows a level early of access to gear everyone will have access to in time, or with enough planning to accurately achieve it early enough. Either way everyone who has an account will achieve some level at some point.
As for the microphone; No, it is not pay-to-use. The mic setting is native [Off], and so is hands free. Meaning you'll have to go to your options and turn [On] the mic itself for in-game use, and if you want to keep push-to-talk on then you may, or you may switch to hands free. The only mic you will have to pay for is UVT (Universal Voice Transmitter) which allows you a Duster mercenary to talk to EVE and Capsuleer players actually playing in EVE real time whom are in your alliance, or corporation. Which is actually fair since essentially a small portion of EVE players monthly subscription is used to pay for a third party chat party for continued excellence. So paying a small fee is not a ridiculous idea to chat with everyone in your corporation on the microphone. However! The way it is setup at the moment it is not reasonable. Instead of a one time monthly fee for a small servicable price you will have to pay by the day upto the week. Atleast last I checked it was setup as such.
We're still hoping that CCP will rectify this and make it a monthly fee for those whom need or want it enough. Text chat and squad micrpohone chat are both free to use by you the player though. |
Rorek IronBlood
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Posted - 2012.10.05 21:03:00 -
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ATR Kuan Ti wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:ATR Kuan Ti wrote:TexDuc wrote:Saiibot wrote:They have to have SOME WAY to pay their bills I have no problem with supporting good server support but how much money does that really take? At $59/game and they sell let's say only 50,000 copies... you do the math. but at $0 a game and thay sell a million copies now you do the math thay need the add ons to pay for server support and this is not going to be a game like call of duty after a year there done with keeping up on the servers ... Activision does not run servers for any console based Call of Duty title though. PC is the only port to actually support real servers. The only servers you must be thinking of are the initial matchmaking servers where it links the players together. That is all they do though; after which it is a peer-to-peer based connection and an individual console is named host. Socom had servers and now dust has severs thats my point COD never had servers but there charging 59 for a game then 50 for elite wich was down half of the year
Yeah I understand what you are saying. I honestly can stand playing games though unless they have actual servers, or at the very least server selection. Matchmaking sucks balls! |
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