They only seem OP because hit detection got better. lololololololololololol.

That said, there needs to be more closed areas where shotguns and smgs will be more effective.

Oh idk about more closed areas, i seem to get killed by SMGs enough now. I think there are maps that work both ways. As there
should be. Some maps should favor rang more and others close rang.

try hip firing at close range? but yes sub machine guns are supposed to deal more damage up close than AR's
i learned that the hard way

Delete or lock thread. It's a load of tripe. Accuracy increased and movement speed decreased. AND hit detection got better. Hit detection doesn't only work on the AR.

FFS there's a discussion thread on this already. And a feedback one.

They only seem OP because hit detection got better. lololololololololololol.

That said, there needs to be more closed areas where shotguns and smgs will be more effective.

I agree with you except that the AR does not really have weakness.

Up close is not a weakness of the AR, it is still devestatingly accurate from the hip.

Far away is not a weakness of the AR, as the bullets are not effected by kick or spread but are delivered in a "line" of fire.

Mid-Range, well that's the AR's strength.

So how do you approach someone with an AR other than, "by surprise"?

*By surprise should win you any battle as long as you dont mess up royally.

First off, I don't necessarily disagree with any of your points.

However, I don't think that the current balance of the AR is a problem. The assault rifle is good in most situations and it should be. Adding an arbitrary limiter on the AR (for example: more spread at close range) will not help the game. The benefit of an smg is a quicker draw speed and a larger clip. That's why smgs are good at close range. The benefit of shotgun is a quicker draw speed and a larger spread at close range. The benefit of a sniper is accuracy at long range.

These are very obvious examples but they prove a point. The balance should be centered around specialization. The smg should not be able to take on an AR over open ground, neither should a shotgun. It ruins the whole purpose of having different weapons.

If weapon balance stays the way it is, most people will be using an AR. There's nothing wrong with that. Logically, and AR performs very well in all situations except for extremely long ranges, and extremely close ranges. Gun balance comes into play in the extreme situations: long and short range.

Balance should not be determined by making all the weapons equally useful, but by making weapons very useful in their specific roles. An AR serves many roles, so it makes sense that it would be the weapon choice.

As these weapons are modeled after modern day counterparts you need to need to ask how faithfully they are modeled. I would hazard that thier strengths and weaknesses mirror thier base pretty well.

The AR is the standard issue weapon for a reason. It's a great general purpose weapon.

The only reason to equip a different weapon is for very special circumstances. Sniper rifle for extreme range, shotgun or SMG for very CQ work.

I believe your problem might be that you are choosing the weapon based on personal preference without regard to the mission you are engaged in, and that mission does not favor your choice.

Not trying to flame you here, but I don't think the real life counterparts should matter as much as balanced gameplay. And I think you're right to a large extent- people are choosing weapons based on personal preference. But, for me, the game is much more fun with more variety and ways of accomplishing the mission. Everyone roaming around with the same gun is pretty bland.

I think people, for balance sake, want each weapon to have a role. As you said, the AR is a general purpose weapon. But right now it doesn't fee that way- it seems to be the best gun for every situation (long, short, and medium). I personally don't think that's a good thing. Just my opinion.

The ability to have a diverse and useful weapon set is important to any shooter. I still say that the current AR balance mirrors the role it fills. Any weapon imbalance should be tweaked at the extremes (long and short range). Buff the smg at close range to increase its viability, but don't nerf the AR just because it fills the role it is supposed to.

personally I would prefer CQC maps where kids can't hid off in the mountains with snipers.

They only seem OP because hit detection got better. lololololololololololol.

That said, there needs to be more closed areas where shotguns and smgs will be more effective.

I've been saying this since Replication. The hit detection has dramatically affected weapons balance.


Honestly people, it's not that the AR's are OP, it's just that you're dying more to everything and AR's happen to be very popular. Therefore since you're dying more often, you're noticing that you're dying to AR's more often.

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