DUST Search - isk rewards

Maken Tosch wrote:

Sir Petersen wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Ragna Soul wrote:

Test Tickel wrote:

This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto.

the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low

Proto suits are not meant to be used to often. In Eve Online, you don't see players going into massive fleet fights very often with their 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders. The game will be all about management in addition to gun game. If you lose more ISK than you earn even if you won the match, then you lost the match regardless in terms of ISK. This is an old rule that applies to Eve Online fleet battles.

Also, the prices help encourage players to pool their resources by joining corporations where they can share ISK and help people.

What are you not understanding?

First of all this is not EVE.

Second. At the moment it is difficult to hold an standard to advanced suit. There is no fun in running around in a beginners suit all day when you-¦re able to carry much more power. How am I suppose to shoot and buy skill books at the same time? This build is unplayable for ma and many other people.

500 million? Again. What are you not understanding? What does a 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders have to do with a 20k gun or a suit? Come back to earth sunshine.

Gee thanks for the nice attitude. I was nice to you, but if you want to be a jerk, go right ahead.

1. Yes, this is Eve. Have you even looked at the title? It says it right there on the "Start" screen right before you select a character. Heck, it also says it on the top left corner of this forum page. It will also be linked directly to Eve Online's main server and is operating under the backstory of New Eden. So yeah, it's Eve.

2. 500 million ISK and 20 thousand ISK may appear to have a vast difference between the two games, but if you account the earnings, inflation, the dynamic market changes made by players, they are basically at the same level. Just like how it hurts me to pay 700 Million ISK for an new Orca, it also hurts me to pay 100,000 ISK for a new dropsuit or 2 million ISK for a new tank. In short, the prices look different, but the pain is still the same. It just depends on which game you are playing.

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Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.10.05 15:59:00 - [1] - Quote im sure theres already post about it but man it is pretty bad its to the point where up keeping is getting a lil more difficult. hope they fix it because once people start getting to prototypes the loss to reward ratio is going to cause them to go back into militia and not have enough to even up keep militia suits.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:02:00 - [2] - Quote This would be a non-issue if we were given the option to sell the salvage we don't use. I've been hoarding quite a bit and I have a salvaged dropship and LAV that I don't use that could help me afford feeding a village for a week.
Test Tickel On The Brink 35	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:13:00 - [3] - Quote This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto.
Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:25:00 - [4] - Quote Test Tickel wrote: This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto. the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:30:00 - [5] - Quote Ragna Soul wrote: Test Tickel wrote: This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto. the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low Proto suits are not meant to be used to often. In Eve Online, you don't see players going into massive fleet fights very often with their 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders. The game will be all about management in addition to gun game. If you lose more ISK than you earn even if you won the match, then you lost the match regardless in terms of ISK. This is an old rule that applies to Eve Online fleet battles. Also, the prices help encourage players to pool their resources by joining corporations where they can share ISK and help people.
dust badger BetaMax. 283	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:32:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ragna Soul wrote: Test Tickel wrote: This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto. the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low Proto suits are not meant to be used to often. In Eve Online, you don't see players going into massive fleet fights very often with their 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders. The game will be all about management in addition to gun game. If you lose more ISK than you earn even if you won the match, then you lost the match regardless in terms of ISK. This is an old rule that applies to Eve Online fleet battles. Also, the prices help encourage players to pool their resources by joining corporations where they can share ISK and help people. This
Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:34:00 - [7] - Quote y'know at first i thought it was linked to teamwork, now no matter what i do i get significantly less then what i used to. before id average out 100k a game, i might squeeze in a 200k providing i did really well. now im getting less then 90-70k i have no idea what i need to do just to get 100k but i'd sure like to learn everyone else's secret of getting 200k a game.
Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:35:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: This would be a non-issue if we were given the option to sell the salvage we don't use. I've been hoarding quite a bit and I have a salvaged dropship and LAV that I don't use that could help me afford feeding a village for a week. true that i have salvaged eryx with me cant even use them but im usually a pilot problem is with the fragility to of the dropsuits my plan of specing into a pilot during this build was cut short. so imma hold off until either A) they fix the dropships or B) wait till the fighters are out
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:39:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ragna Soul wrote: Test Tickel wrote: This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto. the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low Proto suits are not meant to be used to often. In Eve Online, you don't see players going into massive fleet fights very often with their 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders. The game will be all about management in addition to gun game. If you lose more ISK than you earn even if you won the match, then you lost the match regardless in terms of ISK. This is an old rule that applies to Eve Online fleet battles. Also, the prices help encourage players to pool their resources by joining corporations where they can share ISK and help people. What are you not understanding? First of all this is not EVE. Second. At the moment it is difficult to hold an standard to advanced suit. There is no fun in running around in a beginners suit all day when you-¦re able to carry much more power. How am I suppose to shoot and buy skill books at the same time? This build is unplayable for ma and many other people. 500 million? Again. What are you not understanding? What does a 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders have to do with a 20k gun or a suit? Come back to earth sunshine.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.10.05 16:39:00 - [10] - Quote Ragna Soul wrote: im sure theres already post about it but man it is pretty bad its to the point where up keeping is getting a lil more difficult. hope they fix it because once people start getting to prototypes the loss to reward ratio is going to cause them to go back into militia and not have enough to even up keep militia suits. Despite isk rewards for hacking/destroying, isk rewards also reflect on the equipment the enemy is using, the higher their gear the higher the payout. And considering that most people are in militia suits with militia weapons.......the isk won't be that much. Once we start to get more expensive gear on the field then isk rewards will increase. this is how its been planned from the start

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:00:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ragna Soul wrote: Test Tickel wrote: This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto. the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low Proto suits are not meant to be used to often. In Eve Online, you don't see players going into massive fleet fights very often with their 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders. The game will be all about management in addition to gun game. If you lose more ISK than you earn even if you won the match, then you lost the match regardless in terms of ISK. This is an old rule that applies to Eve Online fleet battles. Also, the prices help encourage players to pool their resources by joining corporations where they can share ISK and help people. What are you not understanding? First of all this is not EVE. Second. At the moment it is difficult to hold an standard to advanced suit. There is no fun in running around in a beginners suit all day when you-¦re able to carry much more power. How am I suppose to shoot and buy skill books at the same time? This build is unplayable for ma and many other people. 500 million? Again. What are you not understanding? What does a 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders have to do with a 20k gun or a suit? Come back to earth sunshine. Gee thanks for the nice attitude. I was being nice, but if you want to be a jerk, go right ahead. 1. Yes, this is Eve. Have you even looked at the title? It says it right there on the "Start" screen right before you select a character. Heck, it also says it on the top left corner of this forum page. It will also be linked directly to Eve Online's main server and is operating under the backstory of New Eden. So yeah, it's Eve. 2. 500 million ISK and 20 thousand ISK may appear to have a vast difference between the two games, but if you account the earnings, inflation, the dynamic market changes made by players, they are basically at the same level. Just like how it hurts me to pay 700 Million ISK for an new Orca, it also hurts me to pay 100,000 ISK for a new dropsuit or 2 million ISK for a new tank. In short, the prices look different, but the pain is still the same. It just depends on which game you are playing.
mongo flash Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:07:00 - [12] - Quote This will be a non issue once the games are linked. With mulimillion isk contracts and trading people will be able to afford what ever they want. You just have to remember that dust and eve are the same game. If you notice on login it says eve online and under that it says dust 514. And just like eve you will have to trade/ buy/ and contract with other players even if you play solo. You are not ment to have the best of everything with out interacting with other players. They just don't let you do it yet.
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:08:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ragna Soul wrote: Test Tickel wrote: This is heading in the direction that CCP wants it. By doing this it will force people to buy AUR items or play in militia gear until they can afford a set of proto. the problem with that is once get to proto itll be impossible to upkeep it. ud lose more than wat you would earn and i dont care how good players are it will be nearly impossible for them to upkeep proto suits with isk rewards that low Proto suits are not meant to be used to often. In Eve Online, you don't see players going into massive fleet fights very often with their 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders. The game will be all about management in addition to gun game. If you lose more ISK than you earn even if you won the match, then you lost the match regardless in terms of ISK. This is an old rule that applies to Eve Online fleet battles. Also, the prices help encourage players to pool their resources by joining corporations where they can share ISK and help people. What are you not understanding? First of all this is not EVE. Second. At the moment it is difficult to hold an standard to advanced suit. There is no fun in running around in a beginners suit all day when you-¦re able to carry much more power. How am I suppose to shoot and buy skill books at the same time? This build is unplayable for ma and many other people. 500 million? Again. What are you not understanding? What does a 500 million ISK Caldari Navy Issue Ravens or Marauders have to do with a 20k gun or a suit? Come back to earth sunshine. Gee thanks for the nice attitude. I was nice to you, but if you want to be a jerk, go right ahead. 1. Yes, this is Eve. Have you even looked at the title? It says it right there on the "Start" screen right before you select a character. Heck, it also says it on the top left corner of this forum page. It will also be linked directly to Eve Online's main server and is operating under the backstory of New Eden. So yeah, it's Eve. 2. 500 million ISK and 20 thousand ISK may appear to have a vast difference between the two games, but if you account the earnings, inflation, the dynamic market changes made by players, they are basically at the same level. Just like how it hurts me to pay 700 Million ISK for an new Orca, it also hurts me to pay 100,000 ISK for a new dropsuit or 2 million ISK for a new tank. In short, the prices look different, but the pain is still the same. It just depends on which game you are playing. Yeah.. Sorry I was harsh.. We are still in the same spot though. Beta testing and not able to afford our gear. So people who are not willing to spend they-¦re real cash on the game are obviously gonna stop playing. This is obvious no? And therefore a problem?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:14:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Yeah.. Sorry I was harsh.. We are still in the same spot though. Beta testing and not able to afford our gear. So people who are not willing to spend they-¦re real cash on the game are obviously gonna stop playing. This is obvious no? And therefore a problem? You are forgetting the fact that you can now join player-run corporations and donate ISK and maybe equipment to each other. That's what corporations are for. Eve corps do the same thing. Many of them have their reimbursement programs. If they are financially stable, they might even offer scheduled payrolls like real-world corps do. Remember, Eve Online's economy mimics real-world economics.
Narcosis Reaver Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:15:00 - [15] - Quote The thing is, is that CCP want you guys to feel strained when you lose thing. they have said in the past that, when you lose that tank, or LAV, they want you to feel the pain, because that tank represents about a week or more's worth of work. the same applies to everything else too. it's their way of making sure you play smarter, and not just go out there guns blazing.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:19:00 - [16] - Quote Narcosis Reaver wrote: The thing is, is that CCP want you guys to feel strained when you lose thing. they have said in the past that, when you lose that tank, or LAV, they want you to feel the pain, because that tank represents about a week or more's worth of work. the same applies to everything else too. Thank you. I completely forgot about this part. One wouldn't feel any sense of permanent consequences (hence feeling no sense of meaningful choice) if the loss has no impact on one's own decision making and emotions.
Sir Petersen Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:26:00 - [17] - Quote Narcosis Reaver wrote: The thing is, is that CCP want you guys to feel strained when you lose thing. they have said in the past that, when you lose that tank, or LAV, they want you to feel the pain, because that tank represents about a week or more's worth of work. the same applies to everything else too. it's their way of making sure you play smarter, and not just go out there guns blazing. Fair enough. But getting killed twice and losing money after that is to much. Everyone with eyes can see this. Remember. We are beta testing so everything we build will be taken away. So why bother when it is this hard? Feel the pain? You mean feel my wallet? What CCP will feel is people running away from the game if this continues. I for one will not spend my cash on virtual things that disappear. Are you guys doing this? How much are you spending of your real money on this beta?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:36:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Narcosis Reaver wrote: The thing is, is that CCP want you guys to feel strained when you lose thing. they have said in the past that, when you lose that tank, or LAV, they want you to feel the pain, because that tank represents about a week or more's worth of work. the same applies to everything else too. it's their way of making sure you play smarter, and not just go out there guns blazing. Fair enough. But getting killed twice and losing money after that is to much. Everyone with eyes can see this. Remember. We are beta testing so everything we build will be taken away. So why bother when it is this hard? Feel the pain? You mean feel my wallet? What CCP will feel is people running away from the game if this continues. I for one will not spend my cash on virtual things that disappear. Are you guys doing this? How much are you spending of your real money on this beta? Deja Vu Some people said the same thing for Eve Online years ago. Look at it now. It may not have as much players as Guild Wars and WoW, but it has quality players, a vibrant economy that rivals WoW's, it's very own player-elected representative council that has a direct influence on how Eve Online is developed, and is now being copied by Guild Wars in some way in terms of economics (I'm serious).
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.05 17:58:00 - [19] - Quote so last night i was talked in to buying AUR militia gear. its helped a ton, i've already got over 1 mil isk. if i never bought the AUR unlimited militia i would be around 300k isk where i've been staying. also, i was killed by ForkyouIwin's Duvolle... yes, someone already has a Duvolle... it hurts.
Ghost InShell DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2012.10.05 19:50:00 - [20] - Quote Hm didn-¦t know Aur miliita gear was unlimted thanks for the head up anything else that is unlimited ?



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