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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote I don't really feel very motivated to play Dust, there are way too many problems. I have no doubt that they will be fixed, but right now they really take the fun out of the game. Nova knives and laser rifles - need to be rebalanced to be useful. Strikes - needs a cooldown limit, or higher WP requirement, etc. Strafe - needs to be buffed. Ambush spawns - needs a fix. Quick swapping - needs a fix. I think I'm going to stop playing for a while. I am happy about the hit detection working, no invalid bugs, no freezing, and the new environmental stuff.
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 202	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:41:00 - [2] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't really feel very motivated to play Dust, there are way too many problems. I have no doubt that they will be fixed, but right now they really take the fun out of the game. Nova knives and laser rifles - need to be rebalanced to be useful. Strikes - needs a cooldown limit, or higher WP requirement, etc. Strafe - needs to be buffed. Ambush spawns - needs a fix. Quick swapping - needs a fix. I think I'm going to stop playing for a while. I am happy about the hit detection working, no invalid bugs, no freezing, and the new environmental stuff. On strikes, at least, bear in mind some people are WP/SP farming and getting a ridiculous number of strikes. Once the farming is fixed this won't be so bad. So, no, definitely not in need a coooldown or higher WP, just need to stop the WP farming in safe zones. My only point. Carry on.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:42:00 - [3] - Quote SP farming - needs to be stopped.
Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote actually a cooldown i think could work, or at least make it so you don't get WP for almost everything
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:44:00 - [5] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't really feel very motivated to play Dust, there are way too many problems. I have no doubt that they will be fixed, but right now they really take the fun out of the game. Nova knives and laser rifles - need to be rebalanced to be useful. Strikes - needs a cooldown limit, or higher WP requirement, etc. Strafe - needs to be buffed. Ambush spawns - needs a fix. Quick swapping - needs a fix. I think I'm going to stop playing for a while. I am happy about the hit detection working, no invalid bugs, no freezing, and the new environmental stuff. On strikes, at least, bear in mind some people are WP/SP farming and getting a ridiculous number of strikes. Once the farming is fixed this won't be so bad. So, no, definitely not in need a coooldown or higher WP, just need to stop the WP farming in safe zones. My only point. Carry on. CCP even said that orbital strikes were suppsoed to ave a cool down during their fan fest., this update is like being spat in the face.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.04 00:49:00 - [6] - Quote Made a thread yesterday specifically for solving the strike spam. Also about rewarding the entire squad, not just the person who calls it down. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38962&find=unread
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.04 01:03:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk.
Will Navidson2 Doomheim 6	Posted - 2012.10.04 01:15:00 - [8] - Quote Ok so what everyone continues to forget is that OBs are going to be done by a player in eve orbiting the planet and there will be a weapon cool down time among other things like not getting his ship shot up by the other corp.I do disagree with the wp/sp farming but suggesting they remove wp for repairing eliminates the purpose of the logi which is what I play legitimately. Once we move to tranquility farming will become pointless for OB.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.04 01:15:00 - [9] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk. I heard the method is repairing the MCC, so maybe just stop MCC from being repairable.
Blunt Smkr Doomheim 62	Posted - 2012.10.04 01:18:00 - [10] - Quote i like the idea of a cooldown for the strikes. an i agree they really just need to fix the sp farmers its just annoying n sad not sure wats a good way to do it though. the idea of not letting them get sp in there starting spawn might work some wat

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.04 01:25:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah, I think I'll jump on each day for a couple of games, but it's a real disappointment after the enjoyment after precursor. So much improvement with stability and everything you mention in the OP. Especially hit detection. It's working great. Headshots are so easy with AR. Low satisfaction from hacking an objective, because no one can spawn on them to stop you. The fast and frantic gameplay mentioned in the start up video has up and left for the most part.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.04 02:12:00 - [12] - Quote Just red lined a bunch of doods! All they did was farm sp and call in orbital strikes. Quite pathetic if you ask me!
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.04 06:21:00 - [13] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Just red lined a bunch of doods! All they did was farm sp and call in orbital strikes. Quite pathetic if you ask me! lol yea its not kool when ppl just sit behind the redline and farm SP/WPs to call in strike after strike not like they goin to win anyway was fun that match tho doin the LAV races.......till Eternal got hit with an Orbital LOL
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.10.04 06:29:00 - [14] - Quote Will Navidson2 wrote: Ok so what everyone continues to forget is that OBs are going to be done by a player in eve orbiting the planet and there will be a weapon cool down time among other things like not getting his ship shot up by the other corp.I do disagree with the wp/sp farming but suggesting they remove wp for repairing eliminates the purpose of the logi which is what I play legitimately. Once we move to tranquility farming will become pointless for OB. The precision strike is from the warbarge. At this point warbarge is in DUST, not EVE and is a DUST asset. The precision strike reward for warpoint gain was a decent idea and I hope it stays. They seemed to work just fine (i.e. no spam) in the last build. Hopefully will get figured out. But the Orbital strikes we are seeing now are not the EVE orbital strikes. That is correct.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.10.04 06:32:00 - [15] - Quote Khortez D wrote: actually a cooldown i think could work, or at least make it so you don't get WP for almost everything Just make it so you don't get WP toward a PS from PS, that'll help quite a bit.
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2012.10.04 07:40:00 - [16] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk. I heard the method is repairing the MCC, so maybe just stop MCC from being repairable. Actually, the people farming are crashing LAVs in the spawn and repairing them. I'm totally fine with repping the MCC, that is at least somewhat contributing to our team, since we won't lose as quickly due to the reps, although I do think that if the amount of WP and SP gained for doing so is too high it should be turned down.
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.10.04 08:03:00 - [17] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk. Actually I believe this to be a great solution. If they hide for their safety under the assistance of the system (whether out of necessity or devilious intent), why should the system reward them anything ?
Fasjh Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2012.10.04 08:57:00 - [18] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. remove leaderboards for individual players, if they have nothing to aim for then most of them will stop farming. Give people an easy route to the top of the leaderboard and they will naturally exploit the kitten out of it. on a side note, I've never really understood why we have an individual player leaderboard when Dust is supposedly a corp/team game, surely the only boards we need are corp ones, otherwise it's encouraging players to abandon the team game and concentrate on their own glory
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.04 09:49:00 - [19] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: CCP even said that orbital strikes were suppsoed to ave a cool down during their fan fest., this update is like being spat in the face. I think they said what they meant in a slightly misleading way. In EVE, most weapons/mods/equipment work on a cycle time. For example we have active armor repair modules on vehicles - you open your equipment wheel with R2, point to the armor repper, and activate it. Then, the armor repair module runs its cycle, repairing X amount of armor, and then going on cooldown for 10 seconds or whatever it is (which is part of the cycle I believe). My guess, is that what they meant by OB's having a cooldown, is that the cycle time would be longer than the actual firing time, meaning that if the cycle is 15 seconds, maybe only 5-8 seconds of that would be spent firing. So, if you have 10 players orbiting in EVE, on call for OB'ing, there would be "no cooldown" as it wouldn't be the same person firing over and over. They didn't mean there would be a literal cooldown, by which I mean if you call in an OB, you -must- wait X seconds before calling another. I'm relatively sure about this, as I remember reading somewhere (either in IRC or one of the IRC transcript threads) on of the Dev's saying that OB's could be fired without restriction as long as they are available and the WP requirements have been met. Talruum Tezztarozza wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk. Actually I believe this to be a great solution. If they hide for their safety under the assistance of the system (whether out of necessity or devilious intent), why should the system reward them anything ? It's a terrible solution, as it would promote rage quitting in pub matches. How many people do you know that would stay in a non-paying situation unless a planet was on the line? Fasjh wrote: remove leaderboards for individual players, if they have nothing to aim for then most of them will stop farming. Give people an easy route to the top of the leaderboard and they will naturally exploit the kitten out of it. on a side note, I've never really understood why we have an individual player leaderboard when Dust is supposedly a corp/team game, surely the only boards we need are corp ones, otherwise it's encouraging players to abandon the team game and concentrate on their own glory The individual leader boards are good for both gloating and recruiting. If a corp is looking to recruit the cream-of-the-crop, they can just look at the leader boards and see who is the best person available.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.04 09:55:00 - [20] - Quote I probably wont be playing next week... I will be playing dishonored! I don't understand Warpoints, I think people should just be enable or disabled to use the shuttle lasers. Ambush spawns r pretty ******** though. But then the uplink spawns make no sense. Why are we able to teleport? If we have teleport technology shouldn't we just teleport into enemy base? They need to rethink the uplink...

Constable Jones Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote Khortez D wrote: actually a cooldown i think could work, or at least make it so you don't get WP for almost everything Or return WP bonuses to their previous amounts. Last build it was 75 for a kill under orders, this build it's 125. Other three guys in the squad get 37 for assists, the leader gets 37 squad commission for the kill and 12 for each assist. That's just shy of 300 WP for four people shooting one guy. Strikes seem to be given somewhere between 1 and 2 thousand WP based on my vaguely paying attention. So less than ten kills, spread out over a 4 man squad.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:47:00 - [22] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't really feel very motivated to play Dust, there are way too many problems. I have no doubt that they will be fixed, but right now they really take the fun out of the game. Nova knives and laser rifles - need to be rebalanced to be useful. Strikes - needs a cooldown limit, or higher WP requirement, etc. Strafe - needs to be buffed. Ambush spawns - needs a fix. Quick swapping - needs a fix. I think I'm going to stop playing for a while. I am happy about the hit detection working, no invalid bugs, no freezing, and the new environmental stuff. quitting too, since i got my beta key i've probably played for 20% of that timeline (no keyboard support or just plain rubbish support). for a beta this is one hell of a rough ride and to put it into context tribes ascend was in a better state than this 8 weeks before launch and belive me that was in a bad state, 6 months later they have less than 1000 players online at peak times. that's from a game on the steam platform that's free to play.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:53:00 - [23] - Quote NO... Dont quit.... Play... THE GAME! I do not understand why y'all have been angry so... We are all part of something fun... I mean, I get all the ankle biters on me... None of y'all have to worry about them. Attempting to ridicule to patronize.. to have no real reason of anger towards me, but to try any way they can to get me in trouble, to get me to argue... Its like they know me from somewhere like they had their ISP reported once and had to get a whole new internet connection or maybe they spammed me befr an they spammed someone else and it got them in trouble. Who knows man... I don't know how to encourage them to just be nice and play. Its a game to be fun and shoot stuff, but if they can't cheat... I just have no idea why they wanna go. Maybe they spammed and spammed and hacked me and then realized they messed their own stuff up, go figure.
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.04 15:58:00 - [24] - Quote How does quitting help resolve the issues here? If we're the testers, aren't we supposed to just be reporting the issues/bugs that we run into? Not expecting them to cater to us as if we were special? Granted I see both sides of the field here, I dislike the lag spikes/DC's/match making being bad sometimes. My point is that by people just throwing their arms up and saying "OKAY THIS GAME SUCKS I'M DONE" doesn't help the developers to make the game better. Posting doom-and-gloom threads about how this game will fail doesn't help either. It's as if this whole forum just spiraled into a depression or something....
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 202	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:07:00 - [25] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: ]CCP even said that orbital strikes were suppsoed to ave a cool down during their fan fest., this update is like being spat in the face. If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, that is in reference to the strikes down by EVE pilots. They won't be able to rain down orbital strikes as quickly as they can push a button. However, if there are twenty ships capable of orbital strikes/bombardment over the battlefield . . . anyway, yeah, I'm relatively sure that's what they were talking about. Right now these precision strikes are an abstraction of a mechanic that isn't implemented the way it really will be later when the two games are fully integrated.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:09:00 - [26] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Just red lined a bunch of doods! All they did was farm sp and call in orbital strikes. Quite pathetic if you ask me! lol yea its not kool when ppl just sit behind the redline and farm SP/WPs to call in strike after strike not like they goin to win anyway was fun that match tho doin the LAV races.......till Eternal got hit with an Orbital LOL Lulz I know! Forge gun snipping gets boring too after a while!
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:11:00 - [27] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Lulz I know! Forge gun snipping gets boring too after a while! We both know that forge snipping never gets boring
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:14:00 - [28] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Lulz I know! Forge gun snipping gets boring too after a while! We both know that forge snipping never gets boring Not if all the friggin red dots are way behind the red line! But its fun none the less while it lasted!
DEADPOOL5241 Doomheim 212	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:15:00 - [29] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk. Yes that would make it simpler. In your own Red Zone you can not earn SP's or WP's. If you want to SP farm you must do it in the open world, so that opposing team can attack you.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:18:00 - [30] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: SP farming - needs to be stopped. Maybe make it so you can't earn SP in your starting spawn area? Idk. Yes that would make it simpler. In your own Red Zone you can not earn SP's or WP's. If you want to SP farm you must do it in the open world, so that opposing team can attack you. +1! anyone gonna put this idea in the feedback forumz! Lulz!



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