Just reward -NO- SP, WP or ISK for any actions that are not in a decent proximity to any enemy. That way repairing anything away from the enemy in a safe area will give you nothing but if it needs to be done for team-play reasons people will still do it but the farmers will not. Doing anything around the fight or front-lines like repairing a vehicle in combat or picking up downed dusters will still net you the gains that come with the help.

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Or you could just have it so that anything done in any safe/restricted area has no gain involved. If the enemy cant get to you to knife you then you shouldn't get any points for what you are doing there. Sure some might say "but I flew/drove back here to be safe to repair my Dropship/tank!" Well too bad you wouldn't get any gains in exchange for the safety you chose.

So the people doing this stuff are just repairing vehicles in a safe area? Well, how about only damage an enemy inflicts on a friendly vehicle provides points for repairing, and neutral damage due to vehicle decay, collisions, friendly fire, and so on don't provide any points? That'd end the entire thing with the least amount of effort, wouldn't it?

The other main battlefied role I play is sniper and I fail to see why sniping from beyond the redline is vital enough to warrant point gain. For ambush maps just remove the redzome completely and have start spawns be MCC and/or random. For skirmish maps not having any gains from within the redzone would benefit everyone because fewer players would be inclined to "dig in" within the redzone and fight rather than flank to claim objectives when getting pressed hard.

As far as I can see it's win all the way around, am I overlooking some compelling reason why sniping from within the red is something that must be preserved? If so please elaborate as to why.

Cheers,
Cross

Farmers might be on the winning team though. Sure their team is disadvantaged but that doesn't guarantee a loss so in those matches they actually get more than they do presently for the same activities. And they'd suffer no loss of points from present when their team lost.

Unless you are proposing that teams get less than they do in the current build if they don't win in which case how would we avoid punishing players for having the misfortune of being teamed with the farmers? "Too bad just never play random" doesn't seem like quality game design and honestly even if everyone except the farmers left random why wouldn't the farmers just stay and continue to farm?

I'm all for promoting team play but to stop the farming the solution really must be removing the rewards specific to farming (i.e. making farming no longer valuable without imposing any further burdens on other players)

It may be a map by map issue, I have had this happen to teams I was on (or was added to during a battle in progress) and managed to use a LAV plus 'sprint fit' (scout suit with speed enhancers) to break out despite all the incoming fire. I then dropped an uplink out side the redline area of engagement and proceeded to have no one use it, not a single team member. They just kept respawning in the red even tho we were on an objectives map.

Once I'd think was a fluke but this happened to me several times last build, each time I'd get an uplink placed (sometimes after many deaths in the attempt) and it would see no use from my team.

I agree that gaining no WP when inside the red does give little incentive to hold the line when pushed back and creates a frustrating situation, but it doesn't seem any more frustrating than what I witness in games under the current iteration.

Again tho it may be map related as I've really only been in redlined games (on either side) in the larger mountainous maps.

Too complicated.

Keeping track of 'sources' of damage is too complicated to bother with programming, and doesn't offer enough 'reward' for that effort.

The simplest solution is to only allow +points from Repairing stuff that is or is piloted by another player.

Run around smashing up your buggy and repairing it? Nada. Which is as it should be.

Now, can two people team up and one be a 'bum' that the other repairs? Sure, but the average SP-over-time, when divided by 2, makes this a much less likely option to be used.