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xprotoman23
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Posted - 2012.10.03 02:37:00 -
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Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles. |
Reimus Klinsman
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Posted - 2012.10.03 02:38:00 -
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negative one
Edit: Actually, they should have a bit of a buff. along with burst. i'd like to see an even usage of ARs across the board. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.10.03 02:40:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles.
That and make the Tac rifle semi-auto again. The current one is just stupid. Its like the characteristics of the E3 CreoDron with higher damage AND more range. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.03 02:43:00 -
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Let it just get more range, nothing else |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.10.03 02:55:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Let it just get more range, nothing else
Well the Breach weapons aren't really designed for range, they're designed to have a smaller hipfire spread to allow them to be used better in close quarters, like the description on the weapon says. I'd say you could just return them to their E3 stats and then reduce the damage some. That's all that really needed to be done, not neuter them into the ground. |
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:18:00 -
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Nerf them CCP
because I SAID SO |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:38:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Let it just get more range, nothing else Well the Breach weapons aren't really designed for range, they're designed to have a smaller hipfire spread to allow them to be used better in close quarters, like the description on the weapon says. I'd say you could just return them to their E3 stats and then reduce the damage some. That's all that really needed to be done, not neuter them into the ground.
The point is that low rof, med damage weapons aren't meant for cqb, that's why the breach smt is the preferred backup for av guys as it has the best accuracy |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:39:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Let it just get more range, nothing else Well the Breach weapons aren't really designed for range, they're designed to have a smaller hipfire spread to allow them to be used better in close quarters, like the description on the weapon says. I'd say you could just return them to their E3 stats and then reduce the damage some. That's all that really needed to be done, not neuter them into the ground. The point is that low rof, med damage weapons aren't meant for cqb, that's why the breach smt is the preferred backup for av guys as it has the best accuracy
Then how do you make it unique otherwise? The burst rifle seems to bridge the gap between the standard and Tac ARs, so what role should the Breach AR fill? |
Crimson MoonV
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:42:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles.
I agree, but until then just use the higher RoF AR. Now that hit detection is fixed its a beast. Can't wait for the qq when people start using duvolles. It will be the next big nerf qq, mark my words. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:44:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Let it just get more range, nothing else Well the Breach weapons aren't really designed for range, they're designed to have a smaller hipfire spread to allow them to be used better in close quarters, like the description on the weapon says. I'd say you could just return them to their E3 stats and then reduce the damage some. That's all that really needed to be done, not neuter them into the ground. The point is that low rof, med damage weapons aren't meant for cqb, that's why the breach smt is the preferred backup for av guys as it has the best accuracy Then how do you make it unique otherwise? The burst rifle seems to bridge the gap between the standard and Tac ARs, so what role should the Breach AR fill?
Actually I'd calk the burst the reg ar/ smg bridger and think of the breach as the tac with suppresive fire potential |
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xprotoman23
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Posted - 2012.10.03 04:30:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles. I agree, but until then just use the higher RoF AR. Now that hit detection is fixed its a beast. Can't wait for the qq when people start using duvolles. It will be the next big nerf qq, mark my words.
Breach AR always looses when confronted with the standard AR, because the RoF trumps the DPS of the breach AR which is a bit ridiculous. |
Crimson MoonV
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Posted - 2012.10.03 04:39:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles. I agree, but until then just use the higher RoF AR. Now that hit detection is fixed its a beast. Can't wait for the qq when people start using duvolles. It will be the next big nerf qq, mark my words. Breach AR always looses when confronted with the standard AR, because the RoF trumps the DPS of the breach AR which is a bit ridiculous.
I never understood all the complaining about the breach when the standard was always superior. It was just a lot harder to use in previous builds due to crap hit detection. The credron was just way more consistent and more people used it.
They shouldn't have nerfed any guns until they fixed the hit detection tbh. |
xprotoman23
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Posted - 2012.10.03 04:48:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles. I agree, but until then just use the higher RoF AR. Now that hit detection is fixed its a beast. Can't wait for the qq when people start using duvolles. It will be the next big nerf qq, mark my words. Breach AR always looses when confronted with the standard AR, because the RoF trumps the DPS of the breach AR which is a bit ridiculous. I never understood all the complaining about the breach when the standard was always superior. It was just a lot harder to use in previous builds due to crap hit detection. The credron was just way more consistent and more people used it. They shouldn't have nerfed any guns until they fixed the hit detection tbh.
they shouldn't have nerfed gameplay speeds without fixing hit detection although I do believe the scouts suits did need a nerf. |
Mavado V Noriega
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Posted - 2012.10.03 05:02:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Since hit detection actually works lets increase either there damage or RoF so it can be a viable alternative to the other rifles. I agree, but until then just use the higher RoF AR. Now that hit detection is fixed its a beast. Can't wait for the qq when people start using duvolles. It will be the next big nerf qq, mark my words. Breach AR always looses when confronted with the standard AR, because the RoF trumps the DPS of the breach AR which is a bit ridiculous. I never understood all the complaining about the breach when the standard was always superior. It was just a lot harder to use in previous builds due to crap hit detection. The credron was just way more consistent and more people used it. They shouldn't have nerfed any guns until they fixed the hit detection tbh.
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