DUST Search - Shield Bias (Shields >> Armor)

Cross Atu wrote:

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Noun: Lack of proportion or relation between corresponding things: "imbalance of power".

If we have Shields > Armor, or Armor > Shields then something has to change.

At present armor is on the weak side, Scouts know it, Heavies know it, Assaults know it, Pilots know it, and most HAV drivers know it as well (tho it's a little harder to convince someone that a Tank shouldn't have very much Armor).
I run in pickup games with players from many corps and those still in NPC corps, I have yet to hear someone even attempt to make that case that Armor is the equal of Shield, much less that Armor is superior to shield. However I have frequently heard from Mercs running everything from Heavies to Dropships that you must develop your shield skills and focus your fit on shields if you want to keep yourself alive.

I'm sure there are still players out there who armor tank but I've yet to see someone dominate a match (within their battle field field role, they don't have to be #1 on the leaderboard) and have them confirm their fit is armor based.
The only thing I've heard debated as a rival for shields when making a fit would be damage mods.

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EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.11.13 13:30:00 - [31] - Quote So AV got an extra 30% damage against armor meaning SL hurt armor tanks so much more, the resistance mods/DC and power diagnostics all got nerfed which effect both armor and shield tanks but overall hurts armor tanks more because they take more damage in general and cannot auto heal like shields even at a slot pace meaning they need to run a repper or even a logi if need be Shields also got an extra mod, active shield hardners which offer 30% more resistance to damage for 10sec and is activated so timing is key Also add in that missiles hurt armor more and that shield tank Sagaris gets a bonus to missiles damage meaning that vs an armor tank armor tank will lose Add in low armor burns meaning if you dont have a repper or even a logi that armor burn could kill your tank and tbh that sucks for armor tankers Currently its a cause of circumstance that armor HAVs suck compared to Shield HAVs, CCP nerfed and buffed tanks and AV because community cried as usual and the balance between armor and shield is well out of whack now
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.11.13 15:16:00 - [32] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: Azmode Deamus wrote: It's a game. Correct, but it's based in the EVE Universe. If these things apply to the ships in orbit, they should apply to the infantry using the game tech... perhaps to a lesser degree, but CCP are at least known for consistency. If I recall, the more you tank your ship in EVE you either sacrifice your ability to move out of the way of the bad pew pew coming your way (Armour tanks) or you make your sig radius nice and FAT, making you easier to hit (Shield). This may not be EVE-O, but it's connected to it, a part of it, and essentially an expansion to EVE. Look at them as one game connected via their markets and interaction. Well because DUST514 is an fps you don't get auto aim or something so shield tanks could have larger hitboxes.
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.11.13 17:49:00 - [33] - Quote What about nanofibre armor thats all nanites and as if not lighter than air... why should something as light as air drain PG/CPU, what if all nanites are self powering and have their own battery what if the armor has an armor healthbar like when you used to pick up bodyarmor in GTA it had its own healthbar...
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:07:00 - [34] - Quote im-+bal-+ance /im-êbal+Öns/ Noun: Lack of proportion or relation between corresponding things: "imbalance of power". If we have Shields > Armor, or Armor > Shields then something has to change. At present armor is on the weak side, Scouts know it, Heavies know it, Assaults know it, Pilots know it, and most HAV drivers know it as well (tho it's a little harder to convince someone that a Tank shouldn't have very much Armor). I run in pickup games with players from many corps and those still in NPC corps, I have yet to hear someone even attempt to make that case that Armor is the equal of Shield, much less that Armor is superior to shield. However I have frequently heard from Mercs running everything from Heavies to Dropships that you must develop your shield skills and focus your fit on shields if you want to keep yourself alive. I'm sure there are still players out there who armor tank but I've yet to see someone dominate a match (within their battle field field role, they don't have to be #1 on the leaderboard) and have them confirm their fit is armor based. The only thing I've heard debated as a rival for shields when making a fit would be damage mods. 0.02 ISK Cross
Boss Dirge Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2012.11.14 01:45:00 - [35] - Quote Well one thing I could mention is that there will be specific damage types for orbital bombardments, which means shield tankers might have a bad time one emp strikes start happening. It won't be the end of the world for shield tankers obviously, but it will make choices pretty easy for squad commanders if the entire enemy team is using hardeners and extenders.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 391	Posted - 2012.11.15 04:56:00 - [36] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: im-+bal-+ance /im-êbal+Öns/ Noun: Lack of proportion or relation between corresponding things: "imbalance of power". If we have Shields > Armor, or Armor > Shields then something has to change. At present armor is on the weak side, Scouts know it, Heavies know it, Assaults know it, Pilots know it, and most HAV drivers know it as well (tho it's a little harder to convince someone that a Tank shouldn't have very much Armor). I run in pickup games with players from many corps and those still in NPC corps, I have yet to hear someone even attempt to make that case that Armor is the equal of Shield, much less that Armor is superior to shield. However I have frequently heard from Mercs running everything from Heavies to Dropships that you must develop your shield skills and focus your fit on shields if you want to keep yourself alive. I'm sure there are still players out there who armor tank but I've yet to see someone dominate a match (within their battle field field role, they don't have to be #1 on the leaderboard) and have them confirm their fit is armor based. The only thing I've heard debated as a rival for shields when making a fit would be damage mods. 0.02 ISK Cross I am an Armor tanker on my heavy for a couple reasons. 1. to make room for mods. damage mods are essential for laser rifles, as adding an extra bonus on to a heated up beam is utterly devastating. having room to run sensor modules is great, as well. 2. if i'm running with a squad that has a rep tool (remember the good ol' days?) my HP can be kept higher in the middle of a fight than if i were relying on shield tanking. stacking armor plates with a mechanics at 5 gives just crazy base hit points as well, just a little under 1,100 IIRC. with a logi repping me it's very hard for most people to get the DPS to take me down. as i clear a room with a HMG. 3. constant passive regen is amazing. armor automatically repairing in the middle of a fight has saved my bacon more times than i can remember. i know this isnt limited to armor tankers and shield users can use this as well, but it requires taking a slot/cpu away from the shield mods which isn't always feasible. 4. I'm usually out of range of the damage types that have bonuses vs armor. I usually run a laser, so i'm well out of reach of anything besides the AR which deals 100% vs both so armor being weak to certain damage types doesnt come into play as often. 5. Shield tanking costs more SP. Getting up to a type-B heavy suit costs ALOT of sp. I'd rather use the sp i'd spend on that and the other shield skills on other things. having more capabilities is worth the drawbacks of relying on armor with it's weaknesses. granted my use of the LR changes what i need out of the heavy suit when you compare it to how most others run a heavy suit but I am entirely happy with the way an armor tank for my heavy has been treating me. the only buff armor needs is for armor plating to be made more practical and for logi's to get WP for repping again.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.11.15 05:08:00 - [37] - Quote Pet peeve. This Quote: >> does not mean "much greater than". It means "bitwise right shift". The world would be such a better place if everyone thought in C++.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 320	Posted - 2012.11.15 06:17:00 - [38] - Quote More armor love.


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