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SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:30:00 -
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Thanks for the great post (and the shout out, heh). As you know, i totally agree. Let's break this kitten. +1 |
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
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Posted - 2012.09.19 09:05:00 -
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Just popped back into that thread i had posted this in earlier today and sure enough it went totally downhill within just a few posts. The first few posts after mine people seemed to grasp it and began to be constructive... and then the thread just went off the rails again. So I'll repost it here where more people will see it instead of being buried in that disaster of a thread that I originally posted it in.
Thanks for the thread space Foldenfly.
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD wrote:To put this disaster somewhat back on track.....
If you want the devs to fix an exploit, exploit it! A lot. It is a BETA and everything should be tested thoroughly including high end fittings and gear. The more people with high end skills that can attain the high end gear and test it, the better. It may take boosting to attain those levels and that's fine with me. How will you know what gear/weapons need to be fixed if nobody is able to get them, use them, and abuse them?? That's my opinion. When it comes time for release, that's a totally different story and i hope it's all been remedied at that point.
On a side note,myself and a couple of our guys joined a battle and we decided to test boosting. During the process we attained 5 orbital strikes ourselves in a shockingly short amount of time. Suddenly i noticed an extraordinary amount of orbital strikes being placed one after the other on the battlefield targeting the rest of my team that was actually playing. I realized there must be other people boosting in the match on the other team. We scoped the area and noticed a suspicious cluster of orange players with a couple of LAVs. We intentionally dumped 4 of our orbitals out in no man's land, so as not to be totally abusing our boost testing to other players' detriment. I don't want to cost someone their expensive proto fits if i'm not really playing the match. That's not cool.
The last orbital? We dropped it directly on the suspicious cluster of orange just for laughs and sure enough, every single kill was a member of a well known boosting clan.
Again, not blaming them for doing it. Drawing attention to boosting is a good thing and they're obviously doing it enough and in a way to draw disdain from the community. To actually use the orbitals attained while boosting to target the enemy is a grey area for me. That's just my own opinion though and why we dumped ours out in the open desert. It's totally up to them to use them how they wish. I don't condemn them for boosting, though there is a difference between exploit testing and exploit abuse. Regardless, both help get things fixed so i'm fine with it either way.
To those that send hate mail to people that are boosting, exploring the maps, flying dropships or driving LAVs out in no man's land, or pretty much any other thing that is seen as not helping the team :
Grow up. Test something. Find bugs and exploits. Find things that are OP or need balancing. Don't just play the game and blame someone else for putting in the work to find those things. If you want a better, balanced, fair game at release... BREAK IT NOW. If you just want to play the game now, better stock up on tissues because a month after release you are going to have many things to cry about because they made it through BETA without enough testing.
Boost on warriors.
( I probably won't return to this thread because I fully expect ignorant, flame-y responses so knock yourselves out! I assume it'll be locked soon due to the childish nonsense going on, so hopefully this post that actually makes sense will be the last in before the lock )
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SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:04:00 -
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.......and another brick wall post. I don't know why i bother......
To Dzark and DOOM and anyone else with the same perspective,
To be clear, I'm torn on the specific subject of boosting. On one hand i do want the higher end gear to be tested thoroughly and on the other hand I'm not completely thrilled those people will then be running around slaughtering me. It's a matter of taking the good with the bad.
The fact that the game will be wiped means there is really no reason for anyone to be complaining about anything. If people are boosting to increase their shield, armor, DPS, etc. yea, i see that as abuse and not really helping anything. Me? I've got all of those things maxed already without boosting. The only thing boosting would allow me to do is explore new things that i otherwise could not. That's what i support. But i also realize i can't be judgemental about it and must accept that people will do it for both reasons. That's the whole point of discussing this. To give the people that only see it as an advantage to consider exploring new things instead to better the game. I really don't understand with an imminent wipe, why anyone would bother boosting to increase their advantage. It's pointless. But if they want to do it, they can knock themselves out for all i care.
It's not a matter of "hiding behind the beta". Everything you do in a beta is fair game. As long as you report exploits and yes, move on. However, if there's something that allows you to continue to explore new things, then whether or not you should "move on" is a tricky subject.
I've decided that i'm ok with people running around slaughtering me with proto everything if it has potential to bring something OP/bugged to the surface for CCP to take a second look at. That's my choice. You have the right to feel differently but guess what? There's nothing you can do about it. It isn't against the rules (in this beta stage) and therefore you've got no choice but to accept it or continue to get upset over it. I don't know about you, but I've got more important things to worry about.
All of that said, will i be hardcore boosting? Nope, and i kind of feel bad about it. You read that right. I feel i'm one of the few that wouldn't abuse something like that but instead use it to explore new gear and test things. Yet, the time it takes to boost makes it not really worth it too me. However, if something strange pops in my mind that i think is plausible and the only way for me to test the theory is to boost, will i do it? Absolutely. I'll spend as much time as necessary to uncover an exploit and you should too.
To all of you who complain about "hurting the team" and not helping to win a battle, 75% of the time you will see me on the front lines with my AR sending you back to the respawn screen or maybe you sending me back to mine. The other 25% of the time, if i want to spend hours trying to get inside a building or a rock that i'm not supposed to, attempt to cause myself to fall through the map, or anything else that you deem to be hurtful to the final score of the game, that's my choice and frankly, my job as a tester. If i had the choice of a local, private,unranked server that's where i'd be, but i do not have that option. If you see me boosting, i could be gaining an advantage,sure, or i could actually be trying to test a new theory which if you interfere only slows me down and makes me have to do it again in the next game. Who are you to pass judgement without knowing why i'm actually doing it?
If you aren't interested in helping to fix the game and your only concern is playing it at face value, you shouldn't be in a beta. Wait for release when we've all put in the time and effort to actually test things, find problems and fix them, and then you can enjoy your exploit free gameplay.
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SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:52:00 -
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[Whoops. Accidental post. Ignore this. ] |
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:53:00 -
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Foldenfly wrote:
lol, damn man. CCP needs to give you a bonus. Completely agree and if we're ever in a match, I'll either be standing beside you or gunning for your arse.
Don't stop posting. You are one of the few whom I actively seek out to find your insight. I'm encountering the angry few all over the place calling me a whiner and attacking my gunplay as the culprit. Let's do our job and let the rest deal with their own conscience.
Naaa I wouldn't want a bonus, then i'd be OP lol.
Exactly. Don't bother worrying about what others say or think. Especially on forums. It's a losing battle with ignorance reigning supreme. Have an open mind, respect all perspectives but choose to make your own decisions based on your own common sense, intelligence and morals. Try and pass that information onto others to open their minds and if they are unwilling, leave it be.
Doesn't just apply for video game beta testing.
I'll continue posting for sure. (sorry haters) I encourage everyone to do the same whether we agree on things or not. Just keep it constructive. The goal is to explore all problems from various perspectives and find the fair solution in the end.
To those with a level head on their shoulders: Send me a message in game. Always willing to add good people to my contacts list and invite them to my group's private channel. Gun game and K/R doesn't matter here. Intelligence,respect and maturity are the only requirements. Well, that, being 18+ and having a mic. |
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