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EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:35:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:Tanker's tears = best tears
Why should 1 guy not be able to kill a tank on his own ?
What game have u played where a tank was invulnerable to 1 guy ?
Maby its time u adapted to the new playstyle ?
lol
He thinks that its fine that a basic AV setup can kill a toptier proto tank
Basic AV gear and milita should scratch the shields on the proto tank not kill it after 8 hits |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:18:00 -
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Tyas Borg wrote:You seriously don't see the issue here?. Sure you've got it easy now with little to no threat against you.Of course your going to defend the current state of the game, it's made it so you can face roll matches.
The decent players are steam rolling teams now as much as the tanks ever did, because there's nothing to keep them in check and when someone does call a tank in it turns into a turkey shoot.
It amazes me quite frankly where all this AV has come from, considering it was so "Crap" last patch, yet people suddenly have tonnes of it now it's ridiculously OP. When it was balanced / required teamwork nobody gave a toss about it, they'd rather whine it was broken and spec into their AR's and DS's.
Anybody with even the slightest Eve background would see that what they've done to vehicles is a joke. It's certainly not what I bought into when I saw the game being made.
Frigates vs Battlecruisers. That's a pretty good analogy right there both for risk and investment. Yet all these CoD kiddies crying they can't take a tank out because they haven't specced to do so just don't see that. A lot of the people I see complaining about it didn't even have AV pre-nerf yet I bet they do now.
It's pathetic, your all going to ruin this game and turn it into some bs spawn of Halo and CoD if you keep this crap up.
Well its gone from tanks and infantry to pure infantry tbh
With the simplest of AV builds now able to put a serious dent or even kill a proto tank and the tank cannot even fill the support role
Last build tankers were strong but proto AV was aboout much more, since the SP/ISK reduction but also the ISK hike for everything and its still easier to train for a tank than AV then ppl have been using milita stuff for longer but also sticking with infantry more or going tanks so they make profit
This hotfix has gone from one end to the other now so the tank which was feared is no longer feared and can be kept away by 1 AV guy
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EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:22:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:Tanker's tears = best tears
Why should 1 guy not be able to kill a tank on his own ?
What game have u played where a tank was invulnerable to 1 guy ?
Maby its time u adapted to the new playstyle ? lol He thinks that its fine that a basic AV setup can kill a toptier proto tank Basic AV gear and milita should scratch the shields on the proto tank not kill it after 8 hits If a tank can't get away or find the guy then they defiantly should die after 8 swarms hit them. Do any of you work for CCP? if not then stop making assumptions about CCP vision for this game. They may not want people to be able to field multiple tanks every match but that won't matter when we connect with EVE and ISK transfers can occur. A single player bringing in a tank every match should NOT be profitable. HAV drivers did this to them selves not all but some by perching them selves on mountains and sniping with a railgun and by going 30-0 every game. When there are tanks on the field almost every game then people adjust just like last build when everyone got the million SP a lot of people put it towards AV. The only true skill as a HAV driver is going HAV vs HAV and winning or creating a build that is very difficult for AV specialists to destroy. I don't get the argument that AV is too effective it has almost no use against infantry so its only use is against vehicles and it is effective. What would be the point of AV weapons if they can't destroy vehicles?
8 milita swarms should kill a proto tank lol no
Milita is ther because it just is but the DPS it does is laughable and so it should be, its ment to be a tank not a paper tank |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:28:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:Tanker's tears = best tears
Why should 1 guy not be able to kill a tank on his own ?
What game have u played where a tank was invulnerable to 1 guy ?
Maby its time u adapted to the new playstyle ? lol He thinks that its fine that a basic AV setup can kill a toptier proto tank Basic AV gear and milita should scratch the shields on the proto tank not kill it after 8 hits If a tank can't get away or find the guy then they defiantly should die after 8 swarms hit them. Do any of you work for CCP? if not then stop making assumptions about CCP vision for this game. They may not want people to be able to field multiple tanks every match but that won't matter when we connect with EVE and ISK transfers can occur. A single player bringing in a tank every match should NOT be profitable. HAV drivers did this to them selves not all but some by perching them selves on mountains and sniping with a railgun and by going 30-0 every game. When there are tanks on the field almost every game then people adjust just like last build when everyone got the million SP a lot of people put it towards AV. The only true skill as a HAV driver is going HAV vs HAV and winning or creating a build that is very difficult for AV specialists to destroy. I don't get the argument that AV is too effective it has almost no use against infantry so its only use is against vehicles and it is effective. What would be the point of AV weapons if they can't destroy vehicles? 8 milita swarms should kill a proto tank lol no Milita is ther because it just is but the DPS it does is laughable and so it should be, its ment to be a tank not a paper tank So its meant to survive 32 missiles that do 300 damage each?
Yea because no one is going to stick around waiting for them to fire 32missiles which would take like 5mins and by then the damage which they may do a booster can repair or they could just move
But because of the SL buff milita SL is fine to use now, why skill up when you can solo a tank with milita
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EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:45:00 -
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Already done it but unlike you i didnt QQ for a ultrameganerf to tanks to turn DUST into COD |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:58:00 -
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Tyas Borg wrote:I was talking with Pezley Mcdoff last night about his Forge and we were testing it's damage output. The reason I mention his name is that he's one of the few AV guys opinions I respect as he was one of the few to kill me pre patch.
Testing last night in a match against him, 3 shots takes me into armour on my shield tanks.....
Sure before when he got me he was working in tandem with another Forge gunner but isn't that the idea?. People field a dedicated AV squad to deal with the threat.
I wish more people thought like this instead of the usual, "Waaah!, I can't solo a tank like BF3!! NERF NAO!!"
Yea BF3 used to take a couple of oragnized ppl to take a tank
The they made mines be spotted which is fail, jav was also broke plus the tank had a weak spot which seemed inconsistant half the time
Then the patch made it out of paper and gave buffs to the AV so it was dead easy to solo |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:34:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Tyas Borg wrote:You seriously don't see the issue here?. Sure you've got it easy now with little to no threat against you.Of course your going to defend the current state of the game, it's made it so you can face roll matches.
The decent players are steam rolling teams now as much as the tanks ever did, because there's nothing to keep them in check and when someone does call a tank in it turns into a turkey shoot.
It amazes me quite frankly where all this AV has come from, considering it was so "Crap" last patch, yet people suddenly have tonnes of it now it's ridiculously OP. When it was balanced / required teamwork nobody gave a toss about it, they'd rather whine it was broken and spec into their AR's and DS's.
Anybody with even the slightest Eve background would see that what they've done to vehicles is a joke. It's certainly not what I bought into when I saw the game being made.
Frigates vs Battlecruisers. That's a pretty good analogy right there both for risk and investment. Yet all these CoD kiddies crying they can't take a tank out because they haven't specced to do so just don't see that. A lot of the people I see complaining about it didn't even have AV pre-nerf yet I bet they do now.
It's pathetic, your all going to ruin this game and turn it into some bs spawn of Halo and CoD if you keep this crap up.
The AV was there before... it just got pwnd before it could even dent most HAV... There is absolutly no reason people should be riding a tank every damn minute of every damn match either... I dont care wth you say, it is just LOL stupid imo, sure tanks got hit a little to hard and should be given a little bit of its status back.. but regardless.. 1 guy should be able to take out your tank, there are many RL examples of this having happened in the past, so it is not something unreal or out of the imagination.. however he should have to work for taking out that tank, which is why we needed a balance.. because before AV was so **** that you had to lob and lob and lob more crap at the tank until he just got pissed off and splash damaged you..ccp is on the right track, they will scale this nerf back some I am sure.. just remember YOU CAN NOT BE INVINCIBLE, 1 MAN SHOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE OPOSING TEAM WITH LITTLE TO NO RISK.. our suits cost isk to ya know
You cannot use RL example
We do not have the ability to plant a bomb under the road and wait for the tank
1 guy with basic AV should not be able to solo a proto tank |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:16:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Already done it but unlike you i didnt QQ for a ultrameganerf to tanks to turn DUST into COD Search my posts I've never asked for a tank "nerf" I have however suggested changes including not having infinite ammo and destructible small turrets. I never thought tanks were an issue last build because I had protoswarms for armor tanks and protoforge for shield tanks. I however start the thread that got REs nerfed
I already asked for that change to tanks well before you, you hopped on my bandwagon
And no you didnt |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:33:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Already done it but unlike you i didnt QQ for a ultrameganerf to tanks to turn DUST into COD Search my posts I've never asked for a tank "nerf" I have however suggested changes including not having infinite ammo and destructible small turrets. I never thought tanks were an issue last build because I had protoswarms for armor tanks and protoforge for shield tanks. I however I did start the thread that got REs nerfed I already asked for that change to tanks well before you, you hopped on my bandwagon And no you didnt Infinite Ammo ThreadSmall Turret DestructionRE Nerf
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28015
Also im the one who has given 25pts for spawning |
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