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Smoke2Bowls
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:42:00 -
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Im tired of being unsure what i should do.
I feel every1 gets that feeling to upgrade weapons weapons weapons, kill faster faster faster.
but is that truly the way to go?
Maybe we should focus on surviving longer, outlast!.
Heres my question. Is it more efficient to upgrade your sheild/and or armor than to upgrade your weapon. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:44:00 -
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Smoke2Bowls wrote:Im tired of being unsure what i should do.
I feel every1 gets that feeling to upgrade weapons weapons weapons, kill faster faster faster.
but is that truly the way to go?
Maybe we should focus on surviving longer, outlast!.
Heres my question. Is it more efficient to upgrade your sheild/and or armor than to upgrade your weapon.
That path doesn't really work any better than upgrading only your weapon. I was taught by a friend of mine who took down 4 other battleships in EVE in a Rattlesnake while they were trying to run from him that the key to victory is maximum tank/maximum gank. A balance of the two is what you ideally should be striving for. |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:44:00 -
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Depends on many factors. I snipe so I have limited sp invested in shields. If you are AR I would beef up your suit as well as your weps. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:50:00 -
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Depends on your role. A HAV or dropship guy isn't going to need "light weapons", nor for that matter is it a primary focus for a Logi. An AR guy will want both, a sniper mostly weapons to start and a Heavy AV and Armor.
Of course all of that is just a "start out by" sort of statement because as mentioned above Maximum Tank & Maximum Gank is the goal. Well, not if you're pure Logi, or Command, and I guess pure Dropship might be arguable... but you get the idea.  |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:50:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Depends on many factors. I snipe so I have limited sp invested in shields. If you are AR I would beef up your suit as well as your weps.
That's a good point. Your range and combat style will dictate any path you should take outside of frontline brawling, where the combination I mentioned serves me damn well in EVE, and would serve me better in Dust if I wasn't **** with the DS3. I'd use a mouse if I thought it would help, but it probably wouldn't. I'm pretty much a floater until more aerial vehicles come in and I can tear up the sky. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:53:00 -
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The million isk question.
I have determined that gun power is slightly more important than shield power. In a fight it is important to get it over with fast. Cause his buddy will be along soon. And its more important to be ready for the next battle quickly. You will live or die anyway so the differences of 30 or 40 shield points is irrelevent if the dudes are still alive to shoot you.
So my vote is gun first! |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:55:00 -
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This is how I did it, I mostly used the basic Assault rifle while I leveled up fitting skills and unlocked items like the complex shield extender
before i leveled up to AR V and AR prop 3 i had all these skills maxed or up to 4
Engineering V (PG)
Electronics V (CPU)
Shield upgrades IV (extenders)
Mechanic V (armor HP)
Shield management IV (shield HP)
Light Weapon Upgrades IV (lower AR CPU cost)
Armor Upgrades and Repair leveled just enough to get basic plates and Reps
Weaponary is good for the dmg buff and is needed to unlock some weapons though I left getting it to V quite late, probably shouldn't have cause the extra dmg is great.
put all these skills together and you can run a fit like this
Assault Type II
AR (gek if you can use it)
Toxin SMG (if you have it otherwise a low PG/CPU using SMG should work)
Complex Shield extenders x2
Basic plate
Basic rep
Locus grenades (AV varient of the suit is useful but the fitting is tight and you need to go lower on shield)
Gauged nanohive (great cause you get 3 of them)
you should end up with about 417 shields and 198 armor (might be less not near my PS3)
Very good suit for skirmish gun fights, remember to get to cover before your into armor and recharge your shields. |
Scalesdini
Universal Allies Inc.
58
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Posted - 2012.09.18 02:58:00 -
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Both.
Some people can out-armor assault rifles long enough to win. Some people can kill the other person fast enough to live despite having crap armor.
Not many get past the Type II Heavy with 433 shield, 506 armor and a Killswitch GEK-38.
(many do, however, successfully run away) |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:02:00 -
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I suppose it depends on if your a good shot or not, if your a good shot you don't need a really powerful gun to brign someone down. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:03:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Both.
Some people can out-armor assault rifles long enough to win. Some people can kill the other person fast enough to live despite having crap armor.
Not many get past the Type II Heavy with 433 shield, 506 armor and a Killswitch GEK-38.
(many do, however, successfully run away)
Imagine when we get other racial Heavies. I doubt you'll see as many people easily running away from a Minmatar one. |
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:08:00 -
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If you can't kill, you will get killed
Therefore, my vote is weapons first... |
Smoke2Bowls
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
93
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:11:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Scalesdini wrote:Both.
Some people can out-armor assault rifles long enough to win. Some people can kill the other person fast enough to live despite having crap armor.
Not many get past the Type II Heavy with 433 shield, 506 armor and a Killswitch GEK-38.
(many do, however, successfully run away) Imagine when we get other racial Heavies. I doubt you'll see as many people easily running away from a Minmatar one.
You speak like the minmatar heavy will outrun even a gallante ar |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:13:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:If you can't kill, you will get killed
Therefore, my vote is weapons first...
The longer you live the more people you can kill. |
Daedra Lord9
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:13:00 -
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I'll say that both are quite important, but it comes down to your playstyle. My heavy with mechanics 4 and HMG 4 can take 844 points of armor damage before dropping (shields are 144, but they're negligible for me), and carries an MH-82 around, which at that point can shred most of the lighter suits I see, while tanking AR rounds for quite a while. Just earlier actually, I joined a game mid way through, and we were trapped near a building by about a squad and a half. I managed to sneak around and kill 2 on the way, plus 5 on the hill they were shooting from. That heavy suit allowed me to take obscene amounts of hits from the AR guys up there, while still dishing out punishment.
My point is though, that in my opinion, they're both important, but armor outweighs damage by a small margin. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:14:00 -
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Smoke2Bowls wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Scalesdini wrote:Both.
Some people can out-armor assault rifles long enough to win. Some people can kill the other person fast enough to live despite having crap armor.
Not many get past the Type II Heavy with 433 shield, 506 armor and a Killswitch GEK-38.
(many do, however, successfully run away) Imagine when we get other racial Heavies. I doubt you'll see as many people easily running away from a Minmatar one. You speak like the minmatar heavy will outrun even a gallante ar
Even though its a Heavy suit, if there's one thing Minmatar do best, its speed. All we have right now is a Logi suit, so you all who haven't played EVE have yet to experience this, but I imagine you'll see people like xprotoman23 going exclusively MInmatar once this game hits Open Beta. And don't forget, we'll probably even have Minmatar weapons at that point, as well as Amarr laser weapons. |
Smoke2Bowls
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
93
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:17:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Smoke2Bowls wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Scalesdini wrote:Both.
Some people can out-armor assault rifles long enough to win. Some people can kill the other person fast enough to live despite having crap armor.
Not many get past the Type II Heavy with 433 shield, 506 armor and a Killswitch GEK-38.
(many do, however, successfully run away) Imagine when we get other racial Heavies. I doubt you'll see as many people easily running away from a Minmatar one. You speak like the minmatar heavy will outrun even a gallante ar Even though its a Heavy suit, if there's one thing Minmatar do best, its speed. All we have right now is a Logi suit, so you all who haven't played EVE have yet to experience this, but I imagine you'll see people like xprotoman23 going exclusively MInmatar once this game hits Open Beta. And don't forget, we'll probably even have Minmatar weapons at that point, as well as Amarr laser weapons.
O i know minmatars and their infamous speed.
Im just sayin :p
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Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:24:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:If you can't kill, you will get killed
Therefore, my vote is weapons first... The longer you live the more people you can kill.
Yes, and my point is you won't be alive very long if you are not able to kill anyone... |
Smoke2Bowls
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
93
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:28:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:If you can't kill, you will get killed
Therefore, my vote is weapons first... The longer you live the more people you can kill. Yes, and my point is you won't be alive very long if you are not able to kill anyone...
Assuming that every1, or most people at that do what you say. Then i should have no trouble killing them. They focus on killing me, and i focus on survivng, then that means i get to kill them  |
Supercakers
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.09.18 03:51:00 -
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I've only played off and on for a bit under two weeks now, slowly getting closer to 2m sp. When I first started, I decided to go heavy hmg/swams and have sort of spread my sp around to get skills to rank 2-3 to get the most bang for your buck. I had just gotten tech 2 heavy armor and tech 2 swarms, right before that AV buff, which has gotten rather crazy. The swarms now do between 1500-1700 damage since they have 5 missiles per shot, and also having weaponry 4. I have switched out swarm use mostly with an smg and just a militia light armor, since being mobile and getting into position is so helpful.
I actually had one of my best runs for k/d ratio on a map with swarm/smg combo in light armor, since you can get to cover so fast for reloads, ducking fire and jumping over rails that heavy can't get around etc. Also when LAV show up, they don't expect a light with an smg to suddenly pull out a swarm launcher (which is kind of silly) and blow them away. But it seems to work well.
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