Nope. You have to realize how hostile a very vocal portion of the EVE userbase is toward this game. The announcement that Dust will have no effect on space Sovereignty managed to silence most of them, but the rage machine will start right back up if something like this is implemented.

They said back in 2009 that their goal was for the two games to cooperate, but be able to operate completely independently of each other.

really cause everything ive seen points torwards dust having a drastic part in sov mechanics i would like a link to this info

Nope. You have to realize how hostile a very vocal portion of the EVE userbase is toward this game. The announcement that Dust will have no effect on space Sovereignty managed to silence most of them, but the rage machine will start right back up if something like this is implemented.

They said back in 2009 that their goal was for the two games to cooperate, but be able to operate completely independently of each other.

Ahh had no idea, well what about a soley dust corp, can we get sov? or would that be bad?

I'll try and find it, but the gist was that holding a planet and holding space sov are completely independent of each other. Howerver, if a Dust corp holds the Surface Command Center (bottom of the orbital elevator) of a planet, and an allied Capsuleer Corp or Alliance holds the OCC (top of it), they both receive certain bonuses.

Basically, there's benefits to cooperation, but you can't take planets to take sov away from EVE players, and they can't take your planet away from you from space.

EDIT: Keep in mind that by being able to hold planets, Dust players have the ability to put a rather uncomfortable choke hold on EVE players already. In the Tyrannis expansion, they introduced that planetary colonies would now be used to generate Starbase fuel components which were previously seeded under NPC contracts. Starbases are used in the construction of ships, ranging from T1 frigates all the way up to Super-Captials, though everything but the latter can also be made in an Outpost (null-sec station).

The big thing is that Starbases are the only means of moon mining. CCP has plans to change the places those resources are mined, but those changes won't be in for this Winter when the Open Beta launches. To better put things in perspective, the Clusterfuck Coalition, which is headed by Goonswarm, owes nearly all it's monetary power to Technetium moon mining, because that resource is essential for Tech-II ship production. A dedicated group of Dust mercs could band together to control enough of the market to be able to lock our entire coalition in a strange hold over Starbase fuel costs.

You have to understand how threatening that feels to EVE players.

You have to understand how threatening that feels to EVE players.

Nope. You have to realize how hostile a very vocal portion of the EVE userbase is toward this game. The announcement that Dust will have no effect on space Sovereignty managed to silence most of them, but the rage machine will start right back up if something like this is implemented.

They said back in 2009 that their goal was for the two games to cooperate, but be able to operate completely independently of each other.

This wouldnt be to take away a station from EVE players, just require Dust if you want to take a station without destroying it.

That's just a bad idea.

Why is that a bad idea?

Were you guys around for Incarna?
Long story short, and in-company publication called Fearless was released by an employee in a breach of NDA, and it contained some conversation on expanding micro-transactions to purchasing of skillbooks and Faction standings, things which currently require months of work to acquire. It was all hypothetical, but after several years of feeling like CCP wasn't listening to them, the community went berserk.

THAT's what that post on EVEOnline.com is talking about with the Jita Riots. Over 30k players dropped theirs subscriptions by the time everything finally started getting cleaned up, and some of them are still making YouTube posts on every Video DevBlog that goes up, talking about how CCP needs to do more to earn their trust back.

If this game is implemented in a way that makes any adjustment to functionality that forces them to have to come to Dust players for things they used to be able to do themselves. You'll be seeing that again. Remember Ted Nugent's thread on those guys that forced him to lose his tank. You will have every EVE player with a PS3 joining any match they can get into and TKing their own team with orbital strikes or anything else they can do to destroy this game simply out of spite.

The EVE fanbase has a lot of great people in it, and also an ungodly amount of insufferable cunts. You don't want to **** them off. Believe me.

So if i **** them off, make sure it's in real life where they are nothing?

Joking aside, ccp has been considering this and since eve players will be able to attack our war barges potentially, I'd call it fair if it's done right

Who would've thought, eve players become cryhards when they don't get their way

Oh GOD you have no ******* idea. Seriously. They redid the shaders on the Amarr ships a few months back, right? This guy in my alliance said the palette change made him want to drop his subscription. I am being completely serious.

I actually get what you mean and that proved my point of cryhards

It was intended to.

I have a vision of my own, actually.

Right now, the only way to do any fighting in Dust is with a full-scale invasion. Atmospheric flight is something that CCP has been looking at for EVE for years now. Combine the two.

You want to sabotage a single facility on a planet. Give Tech-III frigates (when released) a Propulsion subsystem that allows for atmospheric flight, and allow them to carry a small team of Dust players, maybe no more than 16-24. The EVE player would bring them to the surface, either provide support or land somewhere nearby to try and stay off the radar, and would then pick them up when they were through.

Small, simple, and a major leap forward in integration that both sides can enjoy.

Oh GOD you have no ******* idea. Seriously. They redid the shaders on the Amarr ships a few months back, right? This guy in my alliance said the palette change made him want to drop his subscription. I am being completely serious.

Along with that, add race specific obs depending on the type of destroyer that drops it (being gallente i want my heavy drone to do bombing runs)

My choice of career just got better and micro mwds mounted on missiles and drones plus the velocity increase from gravity would make a good excuse to have it be nigh instant

That's getting a bit crazy with the established mechanics. I think using turrets will work just fine, and I'm sure they think so too. I mean, capital turrets were depicted in Templar One as being able to clear a swath of almost two kilometers, in any case.

I probably won't see this feature added until 2014. But when it does, I will ****. Station battles!!!