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Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:48:00 -
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were clones, are we clones of our original selfGÇÖs or clones of a general copy? it would make sense for capsuleers to have unique clones built for them with all their wealth and prestige, but we Dusties are individually broke compared to them and we die 10x as much as EVE players and considering the corporate domination and greed minded individuals in the game it would be considerable cheaper to have a clone a single clone, so my question again are our mercs all the same like clone troopers, or are we copies of the original? |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:50:00 -
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haven't read templar one yet but the way things look with clone jumping and stuff, it would seem thet we are just cheap generic clone bodies. |
Reefersmokintaz
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.15 17:05:00 -
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Its like having ur consciousnesses uploaded to a central computer and being reanimated over and over and over again. Like a "tissue printer" lol |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.09.15 17:08:00 -
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Generic male clones, that's why female mercs look the same. Probably different model bodies used by different corps.
I would guess, female suits will need female clones. This will make them more expensive, increased cost could be used to balance hit box difference. Also, if female mercs use male bodies, male mercs could use female ones, so even if female suits are added the gender choice won't have a game effect. |
Tarn Adari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.09.15 17:49:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:Generic male clones, that's why female mercs look the same. Probably different model bodies used by different corps.
I would guess, female suits will need female clones. This will make them more expensive, increased cost could be used to balance hit box difference. Also, if female mercs use male bodies, male mercs could use female ones, so even if female suits are added the gender choice won't have a game effect. Female Dropsuits coming soon (tm). Current female characters are able to make a sex change to male for people who don't like the female ones. After this female clones will use female suits and male clones use male suits. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
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Posted - 2012.09.15 18:35:00 -
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I think we are individuals according to some lore I read at some time or another, we sign a contract to work for "x" time but they change our memories and we become slaves forever. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.09.15 18:37:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:I think we are individuals according to some lore I read at some time or another, we sign a contract to work for "x" time but they change our memories and we become slaves forever. link because ive kept pretty well and good on top of all the dust lore and ive never read anything to that extent |
Whispercrow
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:01:00 -
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DUSTers are different from EVE Podders in some undefined way. Most likely it has to do with some psychological arse-pullery involving an inability to interlink with a starship's command equipment. Or something similar.
It's established in EVE lore somewhere that not everyone can be a Pod Pilot. Don't know about DUST's lore much, but it's reasonable to assume that most people can be DUSTers but not PODers.
In EVE, your consciousness is in whatever clone you happen to be in at the time. You can 'download' into different clones at different times. When you die (get podded), your consciousness is downloaded into your next available storage clone which, if you haven't backed up, means you lose skill points accordingly. Alternatively, with some lore writers, they just 'reboot' your consciousness from its last saved backup.
We don't know in DUST, but it's probably very similar. I'm sure there's some reason why they don't just use 'generic' bodies, likely due to some technobabble about your mind not being able to fully synchronize with a different body. They probably just grow the things so that they are at the peak of their physical fitness and when you die, you just get 'downloaded' into the next body.
Don't know what they do to 'convince' people to enlist. They probably don't have to. Honestly, if I could do this in reality, die over and over and fight forever, I would absolutely do it. It's like a technological Valhalla. So maybe I'm crazy, but I'm certain I wouldn't be the only one, and in this 'future world' of New Eden, it wouldn't take millions to determine the fates of planets and solar systems, so it shouldn't be too hard with tens or hundreds of billions of people to recruit from. |
rc-1108
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:38:00 -
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in templar the clones are like pod pilots each individual is diffrrent and enhanced, not a generic male clone |
Mobius One88
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.15 20:18:00 -
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Whispercrow wrote: Honestly, if I could do this in reality, die over and over and fight forever, I would absolutely do it. It's like a technological Valhalla. So maybe I'm crazy, but I'm certain I wouldn't be the only one, and in this 'future world' of New Eden, it wouldn't take millions to determine the fates of planets and solar systems, so it shouldn't be too hard with tens or hundreds of billions of people to recruit from.
Dying many times in some of the most painful and gruesome way isn't that much appealing to me.. Sure it would be awesome to handle all that awesome weaponry, but the constant pain and death takes some serious balls.
I think that, being mercenary, DUSTers are a bit above the average soldier, but there is no reason not to use the clone technology in any risky environment. So, probably, the average soldier gets the cheap clone while the mercs get to use the better ones because of the higher income.
I haven't read all the DUST lore yet, so i could easily be wrong |
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Athene Alland
Red Fox Brigade
108
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Posted - 2012.09.15 21:45:00 -
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ok from what I gather the clones use our DNA to allow better sincronisation (sp???) with the brain, but with all Immortals our brains are no longer fuly organic, most being to some degree a cyborg.
What is Different with Dusters is that our brains are completely restructured from the norm to accomodate the ressurection technology (a third lobe I believe), as well as any 'physical enhancements' required.
Its also to be noted that 'generic' clones are being used in these prelimenary tests, but its likely they will become more individual as the come into common usage.
- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' - |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.09.15 21:46:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:Generic male clones, that's why female mercs look the same. Probably different model bodies used by different corps.
I would guess, female suits will need female clones. This will make them more expensive, increased cost could be used to balance hit box difference. Also, if female mercs use male bodies, male mercs could use female ones, so even if female suits are added the gender choice won't have a game effect.
Trolllll |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.09.15 21:51:00 -
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We're all unique individuals. We may use generic bodies sometimes, though.
Like in EVE, there are generic blank clones that are free (but if you die and go into one of those, you lose SP) and then you can have a custom clone that's made from your DNA that keeps your SP, but it costs money (often a lot of money).
So we're not all mindless clone slaves, nor are we all regular humans tired to one body. |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.09.15 21:54:00 -
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Mobius One88 wrote:Whispercrow wrote: Honestly, if I could do this in reality, die over and over and fight forever, I would absolutely do it. It's like a technological Valhalla. So maybe I'm crazy, but I'm certain I wouldn't be the only one, and in this 'future world' of New Eden, it wouldn't take millions to determine the fates of planets and solar systems, so it shouldn't be too hard with tens or hundreds of billions of people to recruit from. Dying many times in some of the most painful and gruesome way isn't that much appealing to me.. Sure it would be awesome to handle all that awesome weaponry, but the constant pain and death takes some serious balls. I think that, being mercenary, DUSTers are a bit above the average soldier, but there is no reason not to use the clone technology in any risky environment. So, probably, the average soldier gets the cheap clone while the mercs get to use the better ones because of the higher income. I haven't read all the DUST lore yet, so i could easily be wrong
Regular soldiers don't have clones. They're just regular humans with some training and equipment.
The implants, training, and mental conditioning to make someone into an immortal warrior like DUST characters aren't cheap.
DUST characters are elite immortals just like EVE characters are elite demi-gods. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.15 22:35:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:were clones, are we clones of our original selfGÇÖs or clones of a general copy? it would make sense for capsuleers to have unique clones built for them with all their wealth and prestige, but we Dusties are individually broke compared to them and we die 10x as much as EVE players and considering the corporate domination and greed minded individuals in the game it would be considerable cheaper to have a clone a single clone, so my question again are our mercs all the same like clone troopers, or are we copies of the original? Having read Templar One, we are generic copies. However, it looks like that might be getting a bit of an adjustment to account for seperate female clones, as evidenced by the new market listings on Buckingham.
I would reiterate, as did another member of our community, that I hope these suits merely use a different body shape as in Halo: Reach, rather than sporting "boob armor". |
Jotun Hiem
24
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Posted - 2012.09.15 22:39:00 -
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The fiction section on the beta site actually has some insight into this.
DUSTers are all use a single stock clone. In the fiction section it's described as a 'bald, albino man.' The only difference from clone to clone are the individual voices, which are the only leftover from the original body. |
Prince Ombra
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.09.15 23:01:00 -
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Mobius One88 wrote:Dying many times in some of the most painful and gruesome way isn't that much appealing to me.. Sure it would be awesome to handle all that awesome weaponry, but the constant pain and death takes some serious balls.
Actually, I think there's some game fluff about the implants being designed not to transfer the memory of death according to some hogwash about psychological trauma.
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.15 23:04:00 -
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Prince Ombra wrote:Mobius One88 wrote:Dying many times in some of the most painful and gruesome way isn't that much appealing to me.. Sure it would be awesome to handle all that awesome weaponry, but the constant pain and death takes some serious balls. Actually, I think there's some game fluff about the implants being designed not to transfer the memory of death according to some hogwash about psychological trauma. No, you remember the death. That was part of Templar One. The implants themselves come from Sleeper installations. |
achiever
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.09.15 23:19:00 -
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http://www.dust514.com/media/fiction/stranded-part-six/
here is waht you want too know hit the read story button on the bottom |
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