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Scrufulufugus
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:32:00 -
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So does everyone think the tanks are fixed now or could a build of this type possibly be the end of tankers in general? This game is supposed to have an element of ISK invested in order to destroy ISK or ISK destroyed vs. ISK lost. I know we have some very intelligent people on the forums and some who are not the sharpest tools in the shed. So these questions are for the more intelligent people I play this game with. How much ISK would it cost to destroy a Black OPs HAV with a build of this type? On top of that how much ISK does it cost to invest in a Black OPs HAV? What is the ration between them? Approximately how many less people would have gone tanker if he stats were the same at the beginning of the build as they are now? Lastly, who thinks it is fun to have an update of this severity without a SP wipe? Yes we are Beta testing but there are better ways to limit the insistent whining, balance the game, and to make the Beta fun and fair for everyone. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:34:00 -
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Tanks are dead right now. Anyone who fields good stats in one is getting very lucky and could have done just as well with a militia shotgun. |
Kengfa
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:36:00 -
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Scrufulufugus wrote:So does everyone think the tanks are fixed now or could a build of this type possibly be the end of tankers in general? This game is supposed to have an element of ISK invested in order to destroy ISK or ISK destroyed vs. ISK lost. I know we have some very intelligent people on the forums and some who are not the sharpest tools in the shed. So these questions are for the more intelligent people I play this game with. How much ISK would it cost to destroy a Black OPs HAV with a build of this type? On top of that how much ISK does it cost to invest in a Black OPs HAV? What is the ration between them? Approximately how many less people would have gone tanker if he stats were the same at the beginning of the build as they are now? Lastly, who thinks it is fun to have an update of this severity without a SP wipe? Yes we are Beta testing but there are better ways to limit the insistent whining, balance the game, and to make the Beta fun and fair for everyone.
Black ops and Marauder are both broken with only a slight stat increase compared to standard. But isk for a standard, if the tank is designed well enough, and the driver knows what he's doing, could probably be 200k-600k. The price being divided across 2-4 players. The nerfs were slight nerfs, that made a big difference because people weren't using tanks properly to begin with.
If people use tanks with their infantry, or to take out enemy tanks, they are still worth the prices they are on the market for.
It'll just attract a different crowd of people now, and the old crowd will ***** about it. |
Scrufulufugus
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:41:00 -
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Kengfa wrote:Scrufulufugus wrote:So does everyone think the tanks are fixed now or could a build of this type possibly be the end of tankers in general? This game is supposed to have an element of ISK invested in order to destroy ISK or ISK destroyed vs. ISK lost. I know we have some very intelligent people on the forums and some who are not the sharpest tools in the shed. So these questions are for the more intelligent people I play this game with. How much ISK would it cost to destroy a Black OPs HAV with a build of this type? On top of that how much ISK does it cost to invest in a Black OPs HAV? What is the ration between them? Approximately how many less people would have gone tanker if he stats were the same at the beginning of the build as they are now? Lastly, who thinks it is fun to have an update of this severity without a SP wipe? Yes we are Beta testing but there are better ways to limit the insistent whining, balance the game, and to make the Beta fun and fair for everyone. Black ops and Marauder are both broken with only a slight stat increase compared to standard. But isk for a standard, if the tank is designed well enough, and the driver knows what he's doing, could probably be 200k-600k. The price being divided across 2-4 players. The nerfs were slight nerfs, that made a big difference because people weren't using tanks properly to begin with. If people use tanks with their infantry, or to take out enemy tanks, they are still worth the prices they are on the market for. It'll just attract a different crowd of people now, and the old crowd will ***** about it.
Ok but whats the point of going Black OPS HAV or Marauder then? Does the difference in ISK justify its price? |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:42:00 -
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This is not a new build. Its just a patch get your ducks in a row. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:42:00 -
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Just wanted to point out that this isn't the new build, it's just a hold me over patch until we actually get the new build.
Carry on
CURSE YOU IRON NINJA!!!!! |
Scrufulufugus
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:46:00 -
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So its not a new build? Hmm... sure does feel like it. Maybe you should have looked at what was in the quotation marks of my title... Like I said intelligent people please respond. Please respond only if you can understand the sarcasm and irony of my title post at least. |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:51:00 -
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Oh, so you're just a tool. Got it. Have fun little man  |
Scrufulufugus
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:51:00 -
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But thanks for the pointless trolling criticism of my post guys! |
Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:53:00 -
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Scrufulufugus wrote:So its not a new build? Hmm... sure does feel like it. Maybe you should have looked at what was in the quotation marks of my title... Like I said intelligent people please respond. Please respond only if you can understand the sarcasm and irony of my title post at least.
To expect intelligent people to respond you need to put it in a way that's intelligent. Based on your obvious lack In the know that written words don't carry a tone but to the oerson reading them and your failed sarcasm I woukd say that the responses are more intelligent then you'd expect tanks are and were fine it was the lack of av that was the issue. Now that its been remedied
the stat padders have to pad with things other then tanks and most are whining about it now |
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Scrufulufugus
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:54:00 -
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I am trying to get reply's to the questions. If I wanted a bunch of trolling I would have made a post about STB or Bad Furry or something stupid like that. |
Scrufulufugus
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:56:00 -
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So do you feel the update is a success of a quick fix? |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2012.09.14 21:57:00 -
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Scrufulufugus wrote:So its not a new build? Hmm... sure does feel like it. Maybe you should have looked at what was in the quotation marks of my title... Like I said intelligent people please respond. Please respond only if you can understand the sarcasm and irony of my title post at least.
Please only post sarcasm that people can recognize as such - remember typing does not convey tone. I'd also like to point out that you are talking to some of the more respectful people on here (not talking about myself - I'm a jerk sometimes), and putting them down is a bit rude. |
Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:00:00 -
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Scrufulufugus wrote:I am trying to get reply's to the questions. If I wanted a bunch of trolling I would have made a post about STB or Bad Furry or something stupid like that.
Pointlessly trolled someone who gave you an answer based on their knowledge and or opinion.
And there are many ways to answer your question I build a av class on militia gear so if I die I lose nothing but if I win they lost more then me.
My tank builds are based on max shield and armour . |
Scrufulufugus
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:03:00 -
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I am just trying to see what other people think of the hot update and discuss what other people would do to balance it out.
Like do people think that the higher priced tanks are better? Personally cost wise I would roll with a well fit standard tank any day. The cost just doesn't seem to add up.
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Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:03:00 -
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Yes I do feel the patch was a success it didn't nerf tanks just pissed them to support which they should be to start with |
Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:06:00 -
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Pushed not pissed sorry am on an Android atm my well built militia tanks cost me around half a mil a piece I could use the more expensive ones and build with more slots but is be less likely to use it without out support |
Scrufulufugus
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:08:00 -
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Well I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. I just have been reading through the forums since the first build and I hate it when someone asks a serious question and then it get derailed into some pointless discussion about something else. |
Scrufulufugus
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:14:00 -
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Hmmm... Well how many tanks would you roll with per squad? And does anyone know if spider tanking was nerfed at all? I didn't see anything in the notes about it so I would assume not.
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Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:17:00 -
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It happens
My opinion on your question on the point of black op tanks is to take a look at them check the about of slots and CPU and pg and figure out the build to give you a tank that is almost impossible to destroy for example I can make a some with almost 10k effective hit points between shield and armour and it would cost me less then 600k isk now I could probably do my on a better tank. Imagine the possibilities |
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Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:19:00 -
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It's wasn't nerfed on points but now with the slower turrent speed a good heavy can duck and dodge a rail gun and fire a swarm maybe even a forge gun |
Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:22:00 -
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Scrufulufugus wrote:Hmmm... Well how many tanks would you roll with per squad? And does anyone know if spider tanking was nerfed at all? I didn't see anything in the notes about it so I would assume not.
Depends on who's in my squad from my corp usually at least two anti infantry tanks supporting each other and our ground pounders |
Scrufulufugus
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 22:29:00 -
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Well I tested shield tanking last build. This build was devoted to maxed out armor tanking and testing maxed pg/cpu fits for it. Armor spider tanking has been really successful for me but finding the other armor spider tanker to roll with has not been so successful. A crew of three logis with maxed out remote rep in a tank with nothing but armor plates and resistance has been very effective as well. Not to mention the amount of WP you get when you rep it with a defend command order on it. Now with active repping it has been much more challenging due to the requirements that take away from the armor pool. |
Mikel Dracionas
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.15 00:57:00 -
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I've been working on max effective HP on both shield and armor maybe we can squad up and discuss what we have learned |
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