(Side note, a week or so ago there was a prominent tank player on my team so I decide to jump in his tank to see what he has on it, try and learn a few things as I usually try and hunt him with my squad (doing a little reconnaissance) and what do I find but an awesome main turret for him to use and two literal pea shooters on the small turrets. I have to assume this is for two reasons, one to deter people from catching a free ride and stealing his kills and two Maybe...maybe he doesn't have the PG/CPU for better small turrets? Seemed like he was geared for a solo operation to me.)

If you could get it at his feet while he was stationary, why didn't you just put it right through his chest? That's what I always used to do. Don't rely on the splash damage..

Admittedly, the HAVs in the E3 build were a bit overpowered against infantry, but part of that was due to an inability to coordinate since you never even knew who you'd be playing with. Also, the AV grenades were a joke, and the REs were far more effective against infantry than vehicles.

See, what you're really seeing here is that they seem overpowered in comparison to the performance of the tools used to kill them. I don't think we'll see an end to this debate until they have a hard counter. A vehicle one, not an infantry weapon. If anything, I would support a return to the full capability of AV weapons at the beginning of this build, the Forge Gun being returned to its old range, and the implementation of a Gunship vehicle, as that's what such helicopters are used for in real life. With those in place, you could return HAVs to their E3 build effectiveness (though I still support separate driver and gunner positions) and they would no longer feel like unstoppable juggernauts while still remaining effective assets. Heck, since they're HAVs and not just tanks, allow them to carry guided SAM launchers and flak cannons as turret options to provide a hard counter against heavier air targets.

Exactly. It should require teamwork to take down an HAV. The only issue is that it should require an equal or greater level of teamwork to operate one.

Mobius Wyvern:
"Yes, if you get a group of people working together to kill one of those things, it should go down. But that's what it should require, not a single guy with a proto swarm blowing them up on his lonesome and saying everything is balanced."

Thats what I'm saying. This morning I lost a well fitted, well tanked gunnlogi to one militia swarm. Can't get close enough to him to use blasters effectively, so running is the only option, which doesnt work on more open maps where your only cover from terrain is the rock spires.

Pretty much, swarms path still wonky. Straight into objects sometimes, and other times they stop on a dime, do 180's and hit their target. The last one is usually when a skilled dropship pilot (Sin3) dodges them.

Thats generally what I do, however, my infantry can now no longer engage swarmers and forgegunners due to their massive range, with one possible exception. Even if a swarmer got at close range that my infantry could kill him, he can just dumbfire spam rockets into the tank, because they do not require a lock to fire.

Well, people can spawn anywhere currently. Spawning should be restricted to bases and clone units. The problem is more prevalent in ambush matches, and it allows tankers and dropship gunners to own objectives by constantly shelling them because.

Also, previously I could pop them with a well placed tank round to prevent them getting that close. Not anymore I feel.