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Manley Damnation
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:01:00 -
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I've been a player since early beta and have loved the direction the game has went in, up to the last update. I hadn't played in a couple weeks, and before the latest update an ar cost roughly 10-12,000 isk. When i logged in I had enough skill points to get a prototype ar, so after upgrading I realized that the prototype ar cost 77,000 isk, and I know that the market has not been integrated between eve and dust as of yet, and with such a price increase I am very worried about the integration. Of the online games I have played, auction houses which sell for in game currency are incredibly over priced by upper tier players solely because they can do so; and I know many eve players who have agreed that there are long time, eve, players who have the isk and ability to sway and flood the market with overpriced items. Keeping an eye on the eve forums for a while I have noticed a large number of players who are upset about dust being ps3 exlusive and not wanting to integrate with console players who are just looking for a new fps, and will more than likely do whatever it takes to ruin the game for said players. But my main concern in all of this is, whether or not ccp, unlike the majority of online games, will take action in any way to prevent this or stop the aformentioned from continuing once it starts. Would like to hear other's thoughts on this, no trolls as this is a legitimate concern for the game's survival, because if nothing is done I don't think the fanbase will continue to be as strong for very long. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:11:00 -
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Manley Damnation wrote:I've been a player since early beta and have loved the direction the game has went in, up to the last update. I hadn't played in a couple weeks, and before the latest update an ar cost roughly 10-12,000 isk. When i logged in I had enough skill points to get a prototype ar, so after upgrading I realized that the prototype ar cost 77,000 isk, and I know that the market has not been integrated between eve and dust as of yet, and with such a price increase I am very worried about the integration. Of the online games I have played, auction houses which sell for in game currency are incredibly over priced by upper tier players solely because they can do so; and I know many eve players who have agreed that there are long time, eve, players who have the isk and ability to sway and flood the market with overpriced items. Keeping an eye on the eve forums for a while I have noticed a large number of players who are upset about dust being ps3 exlusive and not wanting to integrate with console players who are just looking for a new fps, and will more than likely do whatever it takes to ruin the game for said players. But my main concern in all of this is, whether or not ccp, unlike the majority of online games, will take action in any way to prevent this or stop the aformentioned from continuing once it starts. Would like to hear other's thoughts on this, no trolls as this is a legitimate concern for the game's survival, because if nothing is done I don't think the fanbase will continue to be as strong for very long.
So is your concern about the high price of Prototype gear - set as a balancing issue so you're not constantly using it - or with the game being PS3 exclusive..? |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:15:00 -
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Manley Damnation wrote:I've been a player since early beta and have loved the direction the game has went in, up to the last update. I hadn't played in a couple weeks, and before the latest update an ar cost roughly 10-12,000 isk. When i logged in I had enough skill points to get a prototype ar, so after upgrading I realized that the prototype ar cost 77,000 isk, and I know that the market has not been integrated between eve and dust as of yet, and with such a price increase I am very worried about the integration. Of the online games I have played, auction houses which sell for in game currency are incredibly over priced by upper tier players solely because they can do so; and I know many eve players who have agreed that there are long time, eve, players who have the isk and ability to sway and flood the market with overpriced items. Keeping an eye on the eve forums for a while I have noticed a large number of players who are upset about dust being ps3 exlusive and not wanting to integrate with console players who are just looking for a new fps, and will more than likely do whatever it takes to ruin the game for said players. But my main concern in all of this is, whether or not ccp, unlike the majority of online games, will take action in any way to prevent this or stop the aformentioned from continuing once it starts. Would like to hear other's thoughts on this, no trolls as this is a legitimate concern for the game's survival, because if nothing is done I don't think the fanbase will continue to be as strong for very long.
Items are not over priced. They were cheap before so that people would have the chance to test them out and the prices we have now are what was intended all along. Just take a look at the 2011 demo (the one with the AR and reflex scope) and you will see that on each item focus it has the price tags, e.g 1,4000,000 for a tank. The prices are staying as they are and if that turns some people away then so be it, this isn't the game for them and they should go play something where they can unlock everything in a month (I'm looking at you bf3) and get bored because there's no proverbial carrot dangling in their face. Stuff like proto assets are not supposed to be available within a month of playing, and if the prices are as they were pre E3 then there's going to be alot if people running proto within 2 weeks. The prices of tanks are still too cheap if you ask me, especially the militia. And if you think the prices suck then you're going to hate it when we see the prices of installations, mtacs, mccs', fighter jets, corporation creation etc etc etc. Even militia items are going to become BPC. Get used to the prices as they are now bro, and expect a price INCREASE at some point because I guarantee they won't be staying as they are now. |
Ghost Mason
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:22:00 -
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Actually I have no problem with the price raise it makes you think twice before bringing a expensive suit to the battlefield and also makes everything more balanced since not many people are rolling with protosuit killing every noob the see Of course that not a problem to me im * puts monucule on* MILLIONAIRE HAHAHAHAH 18,000,000+ |
Manley Damnation
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:28:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Manley Damnation wrote:I've been a player since early beta and have loved the direction the game has went in, up to the last update. I hadn't played in a couple weeks, and before the latest update an ar cost roughly 10-12,000 isk. When i logged in I had enough skill points to get a prototype ar, so after upgrading I realized that the prototype ar cost 77,000 isk, and I know that the market has not been integrated between eve and dust as of yet, and with such a price increase I am very worried about the integration. Of the online games I have played, auction houses which sell for in game currency are incredibly over priced by upper tier players solely because they can do so; and I know many eve players who have agreed that there are long time, eve, players who have the isk and ability to sway and flood the market with overpriced items. Keeping an eye on the eve forums for a while I have noticed a large number of players who are upset about dust being ps3 exlusive and not wanting to integrate with console players who are just looking for a new fps, and will more than likely do whatever it takes to ruin the game for said players. But my main concern in all of this is, whether or not ccp, unlike the majority of online games, will take action in any way to prevent this or stop the aformentioned from continuing once it starts. Would like to hear other's thoughts on this, no trolls as this is a legitimate concern for the game's survival, because if nothing is done I don't think the fanbase will continue to be as strong for very long. So is your concern about the high price of Prototype gear - set as a balancing issue so you're not constantly using it - or with the game being PS3 exclusive..?
No my concern is about the high price difference, and how much so it will change when the two games are linked together. Because I understand the need for balancing the weapon and vehicle prices so that there aren't 4 high level tanks on one team roaming the map adding up k/d ratios. My concern is if the market has increased as much as it has just now with the average map gaining you around 100,000 isk (most are above, just using that as an average), than what will the market fluctuate to when the eve players who loathe the idea of console players being within their realm do to make it nigh impossible to purchase products in market. And when said players do attempt to make things very hard to own, will ccp distinguish itself from other ftp online games and actually take action against players purposefully hurting the gain of the playerbase. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:29:00 -
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Oh man I got you beat by around 800k ghost |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:32:00 -
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Manley Damnation wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Manley Damnation wrote:I've been a player since early beta and have loved the direction the game has went in, up to the last update. I hadn't played in a couple weeks, and before the latest update an ar cost roughly 10-12,000 isk. When i logged in I had enough skill points to get a prototype ar, so after upgrading I realized that the prototype ar cost 77,000 isk, and I know that the market has not been integrated between eve and dust as of yet, and with such a price increase I am very worried about the integration. Of the online games I have played, auction houses which sell for in game currency are incredibly over priced by upper tier players solely because they can do so; and I know many eve players who have agreed that there are long time, eve, players who have the isk and ability to sway and flood the market with overpriced items. Keeping an eye on the eve forums for a while I have noticed a large number of players who are upset about dust being ps3 exlusive and not wanting to integrate with console players who are just looking for a new fps, and will more than likely do whatever it takes to ruin the game for said players. But my main concern in all of this is, whether or not ccp, unlike the majority of online games, will take action in any way to prevent this or stop the aformentioned from continuing once it starts. Would like to hear other's thoughts on this, no trolls as this is a legitimate concern for the game's survival, because if nothing is done I don't think the fanbase will continue to be as strong for very long. So is your concern about the high price of Prototype gear - set as a balancing issue so you're not constantly using it - or with the game being PS3 exclusive..? No my concern is about the high price difference, and how much so it will change when the two games are linked together. Because I understand the need for balancing the weapon and vehicle prices so that there aren't 4 high level tanks on one team roaming the map adding up k/d ratios. My concern is if the market has increased as much as it has just now with the average map gaining you around 100,000 isk (most are above, just using that as an average), than what will the market fluctuate to when the eve players who loathe the idea of console players being within their realm do to make it nigh impossible to purchase products in market. And when said players do attempt to make things very hard to own, will ccp distinguish itself from other ftp online games and actually take action against players purposefully hurting the gain of the playerbase.
I wouldn't worry about it dude, they seem to be savvy with running and updating eve, so they'll do the same with dust. They know what they're doing
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Xiree
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:36:00 -
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Reading that post... I could imagine Droopy(lil sad, cartoon dog) writing it. "Going to ruin the game for said players" ... I hope you realize that can work both ways.
But since you are just trolling the game forum. I know you have no essential point, but I might as well ask... Whats your problem with Dust 514? What is your point??
You are not thinking this is awesome? That you get to be part of a massive beta... Not only a massive beta, but this game is redefining shooters. HALO4, is even trying to mimic it right now. But then its ONLY co-op. Playing against AI.
There will be only one dust514 but any other game that comes out next will only be like Dust514. Cross-platforming ... Integrated shooter inside a massive network. Most lil Mass multiplayers... Are pure co-op and you are playing against AI. Even then you do not have a impact in that game world, you only have a story line to follow. You actually play as a soldier in this game... You are part of the lil game world, not just running a storyline.
Why are you whining for? |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:37:00 -
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EvE market is not an auction, there are auction contracts, but that is only very rare stuff and scams.
The industrial players train efficiency skills that let them make items for less then npc price, buyers then buy from cheapest seller. So, if market is flooded with high priced items, they will also have to buy entire output of every seller that undercuts them, or nobody will buy there overpriced gear. If this happens, people will see profit from undercutting them, eventually market will correct.
Officer gear will be vastly more expensive then proto, since it won't be player made, it will be bid up like gear from other mmo's drops.
Npc sellers put a cap on what can be charged for an item, ccp won't remove this ceiling till they think it is ready. CCP has had a lot of practice with this. |
wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:43:00 -
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Eves market is completely player driven so is the worlds markets items have thereups and there downs but in the end the market is balanced by the laws of supply and demand which ccp did a great job in intigrating these laws. 1 item on eve may have an asking price of 500m isk when its only worth 100m but players will keep wanting a fairly quick sell and will undercut the competition so the overpriced item quickly gets buried and being as the eve universe is so big and the markets are isolated relitivly the market will literally keep itself in balance most the time untill some evil little miner dumbs all his ore into the market just to crash it and im talking about 4 or 5 freighter loads that hes been saving up just to crash the market |
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Manley Damnation
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:48:00 -
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Xiree wrote:Reading that post... I could imagine Droopy(lil sad, cartoon dog) writing it. "Going to ruin the game for said players" ... I hope you realize that can work both ways.
But since you are just trolling the game forum. I know you have no essential point, but I might as well ask... Whats your problem with Dust 514? What is your point??
You are not thinking this is awesome? That you get to be part of a massive beta... Not only a massive beta, but this game is redefining shooters. HALO4, is even trying to mimic it right now. But then its ONLY co-op. Playing against AI.
There will be only one dust514 but any other game that comes out next will only be like Dust514. Cross-platforming ... Integrated shooter inside a massive network. Most lil Mass multiplayers... Are pure co-op and you are playing against AI. Even then you do not have a impact in that game world, you only have a story line to follow. You actually play as a soldier in this game... You are part of the lil game world, not just running a storyline.
Why are you whining for?
No, I have the utmost respect for this game and I absolutely love it, otherwise I would not post my concern. This game is a massive thing for ccp to accomplish with so much detail to every level. I am just stating my concerns for what stubborn eve players who have been members for year upon years with a grudge against a console game based on their beloved game, will try to do to stop the progress of the game. If you took it as "whining" then I should've been more clear; I love the fact that 12 year olds with their parents money won't be able to log in and dominate the game, (cod (cough)); my point of the topic was to try to see what the preventative measures would be that ccp would take to prevent such things. |
Kay High
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
86
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Posted - 2012.09.14 05:52:00 -
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CCP isn't going to get rid of the NPC market for a long time, having a NPC market will force the player market to remain (somewhat) honest. of course that wont stop some people from trying to sell things at a reduculous price but for the most part players will be forced to sell at a lower price than what the NPC market is selling for. In time those Carebears that have thier panties in a bunch will see that DUST is going to be a good form of income for them and the prices will stablize. |
Manley Damnation
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.14 06:04:00 -
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And "Droopy(lil sad, cartoon dog)" and insulting me by calling me a troll? How can you claim I have "no essential point"? Because there won't be anyone against this game in the eve universe? Or that problems won't arise that ccp won't have predicted because they were busy celebrating the release? Much love for ccp but you really think there won't be consecutive shut downs of the server after it comes out of beta due to unforseen problems? Maybe for example, um I don't know, like the loading screen of doom that few could get past? |
Constable Jones
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.09.14 06:32:00 -
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Manley Damnation wrote:[quote=Aeon Amadi][quote=Manley Damnation]
No my concern is about the high price difference, and how much so it will change when the two games are linked together. Because I understand the need for balancing the weapon and vehicle prices so that there aren't 4 high level tanks on one team roaming the map adding up k/d ratios. My concern is if the market has increased as much as it has just now with the average map gaining you around 100,000 isk (most are above, just using that as an average), than what will the market fluctuate to when the eve players who loathe the idea of console players being within their realm do to make it nigh impossible to purchase products in market. And when said players do attempt to make things very hard to own, will ccp distinguish itself from other ftp online games and actually take action against players purposefully hurting the gain of the playerbase.
The way it will work is this.
EVE corporations and alliances will hold sovereignty over systems. And fight to gain it. Controlling the system earns them ISK and allows them to build infrastructure to earn more ISK.
To fully exploit their systems they will need to pay Dust players to take and hold planets. And by EVE standards the most expensive things we've seen in dust (black ops HAVS) are pocket change even for new players.
Now of course, most of the big alliances will just incorporate Dust corporations wholesale so that they have their own in house soldiers. Who will get paid.
All of this will mean you won't get people running around in high end HAV's or with proto suits and weapons in the 100k Isk faction warfare style games we've been playing (except the odd griefer). Meaning that the new players don't face a learning cliff that's quite as bad. |
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