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Nicolas DelValle
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.13 05:18:00 -
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Instead of showing a players kills and deaths, even on on an objective based gametype, the scoreboard needs to display a players score. Showing kills instead promotes individual play, like stupid racing for kills instead of playing as a team and accomplishing the objective. It also doesn't really credit vehicle pilots well, leaving us out in the rain.
This is supposed to be a game about teamwork, so it should probably promote it. |
Hiseki Lionel
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.09.13 05:28:00 -
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I agree with this one hundred percent. But it's also not too bad to show kils/deaths as well. Just make the score more important than kills/deaths. A person should see all they accomplish and I'm sure it will make a lot of ten year old punk kids mad when they see themselves with a ton of kills/ low deaths yet their score is on the bottom rung. It'd be worth their constant whining on forums and chat just to make them see how bad they actually are. |
Nicolas DelValle
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:14:00 -
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Agreed. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.09.13 08:37:00 -
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Should show both, so you can't hide how horribad you are. No point in hacking an objective, only to get killed because you have no skill so they retake the objective.
Things that could possibly be shown (maybe in seperate 'tabs' in the end game screen):
WP
Assists
Revives
HP repaired
Bullets supplied
Spawns on you
Vehicle kills
Vehicle assists
Vehicles spawned
ISK gain/loss (THISTHISTHISTHIS)
ISK deployed
ISK 'destroyed'
Accuracy
Armor type time played (includes vehicles)
Vehicles destroyed
Vehicle destroy assists
Enemy HP 'taken' (shield/armor)
HP lost (shield/lost)
Headshots
Your total SP
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Constable Jones
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.09.13 08:41:00 -
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I'm in favour of displaying score instead of straight KDR. Especially since it's bugged just now. People in vehicles you kill aren't counted on your KDR at the end of games. |
Mitchman 514
36
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Posted - 2012.09.13 08:54:00 -
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Constable Jones wrote:I'm in favour of displaying score instead of straight KDR. Especially since it's bugged just now. People in vehicles you kill aren't counted on your KDR at the end of games.
WFM.
I agree with the OP on this, though. |
Corvid Fox
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:21:00 -
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Agreed! I think I remember Warhawk doing this, and it definitely helped making things team oriented. |
RedBleach
50
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:54:00 -
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I support this request, with the comment of kleaner guy. KDR is important, it is a shooter. But objectives, teamwork, repping, etc. are important too. However if Kills is the only way to get lots of points then the KDR wins out anyway. |
Scrubby McScrubscrub
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:56:00 -
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Nicolas DelValle wrote:Instead of showing a players kills and deaths, even on on an objective based gametype, the scoreboard needs to display a players score. Showing kills instead promotes individual play, like stupid racing for kills instead of playing as a team and accomplishing the objective. It also doesn't really credit vehicle pilots well, leaving us out in the rain.
This is supposed to be a game about teamwork, so it should probably promote it.
A better option imo or perhaps an additional option would be ISK value of stuff you destroyed/ISK value of your equipment destroyed. This might be a better indicator to some clients of who will get the job done cheapest, even when faced with steep opposition.
In general I'm all for KDR meaning less, since snipers, turrets and tanks get much higher KDR while not pursuing the objective, while people contesting objectives usually die more. |
Kovinis Sparagas
Final Fortress
Happy Tree Fiends
58
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Posted - 2012.09.16 08:05:00 -
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Agree. Ofcourse the best would be if you see both, but if I have to choose - I choose point |
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Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.09.16 08:12:00 -
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I heard they plan to show both in next build. And I would love it if they rank us by WP not Kills. I hope they will also do that |
Erahk Manaan
Defiant Kelkoons
57
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Posted - 2012.09.16 10:58:00 -
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Showing war points with an ISK destroyed/lost ratio at the end would be the most effective metric for this universe. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:16:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Should show both, so you can't hide how horribad you are. No point in hacking an objective, only to get killed because you have no skill so they retake the objective.
Things that could possibly be shown (maybe in seperate 'tabs' in the end game screen):
WP
Assists
Revives
HP repaired
Bullets supplied
Spawns on you
Vehicle kills
Vehicle assists
Vehicles spawned
ISK gain/loss (THISTHISTHISTHIS)
ISK deployed
ISK 'destroyed'
Accuracy
Armor type time played (includes vehicles)
Vehicles destroyed
Vehicle destroy assists
Enemy HP 'taken' (shield/armor)
HP lost (shield/lost)
Headshots
Your total SP
+1 to the above
All of that should be displayed, make the main (i.e. first page displayed) rank by WP not KDR and include the rest on following pages. It should also be noted how many WP were gained via Squad orders issued/followed (that's an aspect of team play many haven't even been made aware of yet in Dust).
My 0.02 ISK
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PalaceGuard
CrimeWave Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:42:00 -
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Nicolas DelValle wrote:
This is supposed to be a game about teamwork, so it should probably promote it.
+1 |
Tarn Adari
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:42:00 -
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I'm all for an ISK destroyed/ISK lost metric. I'd like to know what I destroy with my militia gear... |
Raynor Ragna
266
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:56:00 -
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I agree with you, but everytime I see a thread like this, I always wonder whats really motivating it... |
Typo Name
78
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:52:00 -
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Completely agree. So far today, I have TONS of points from revives, heals, repairs, resupplies, hacks, squad whatevers (when the squad actually does what you order them to), assists, etc.- my KDR on the other hand usually makes me look like one of the worst people on the team. |
Greiskind
Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation
28
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:57:00 -
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Tarn Adari wrote:I'm all for an ISK destroyed/ISK lost metric. I'd like to know what I destroy with my militia gear...
I'm painfully aware of lost ISK after each match, it would be nice to know my ISK destroyed value. Probably not easy to code in, though. Points earned would be great.
My motivation for points over KDR - I readily admit I'm not the greatest FPS player, but I'm here to play on a team. Whatever it takes for the team win. If I need to be a plasma sponge so better guys on the team can get the kill or take the objective, then the kill assist points and hack / nanohive / droplink WP are acknowledgment that I am doing something right for my ISK spent. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:33:00 -
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They've said that they'll be moving toward a scoreboard which displays and, I believe, ranks by war points at some point in the future. I believe this is from one of Iron Wolf Saber's IRC threads. |
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