DUST Search - Why does no 1 spec into Logistic LAV's?

The dark cloud wrote:

Seriously they are perfect to back up tanks, infantry and installations. When you slack some remote repair modules on it you can help out a armor HAV driver alot. And repairing damaged installations is SP farming. Another thing is that logistic LAV's are extreme hard to destroy you need around 3-4 railgun hits to be killed well the only downside is that your turret does only 50% damage. Well for supporting tanks i got this fit:

Limbus LAV
-Militia Missile Launcher
-25% armor resistance
-2X Small remote armor repairs

-damage controll unit
-small remote shield booster
-remote shield booster for dropsuits
(inbuild remote armor repair for dropsuits which is not avaible on the marketplace)

Means i have 5 modules with that i can support my team. Sure i dont have a armor repair module for myself but for this reason i carry a advanced repair tool on my dropsuit. As soon i take to much damage i run off and fix my vehicle in a few secs and back up my team again. Worked out perfect in the corp battles so far. well whats you guys opinion about logistic LAV's? In my opinion it takes to long to lvl up for them cause you need alot o skills to be aible to use them.

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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.09.08 21:35:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously they are perfect to back up tanks, infantry and installations. When you slack some remote repair modules on it you can help out a armor HAV driver alot. And repairing damaged installations is SP farming. Another thing is that logistic LAV's are extreme hard to destroy you need around 3-4 railgun hits to be killed well the only downside is that your turret does only 50% damage. Well for supporting tanks i got this fit: Limbus LAV -Militia Missile Launcher -25% armor resistance -2X Small remote armor repairs -damage controll unit -small remote shield booster -remote shield booster for dropsuits (inbuild remote armor repair for dropsuits which is not avaible on the marketplace) Means i have 5 modules with that i can support my team. Sure i dont have a armor repair module for myself but for this reason i carry a advanced repair tool on my dropsuit. As soon i take to much damage i run off and fix my vehicle in a few secs and back up my team again. Worked out perfect in the corp battles so far. well whats you guys opinion about logistic LAV's? In my opinion it takes to long to lvl up for them cause you need alot o skills to be aible to use them.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.09.08 21:46:00 - [2] - Quote How exactly do you plan to do 5 support actions at once at a range of 10m while moving with the speed and controls of an LAV? Because if you are stationary, someone is just going to shoot the weak link of this equation (you) and jack your ride. Logistics LAVs are a great way to waste ISK if you use them as infantry support. As HAV support they are not /awful/ but a Soma will do it better.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.09.08 21:50:00 - [3] - Quote I'm actually putting SP into logistics LAV this build since logistics dropship seems to be completely out of the question in this build. Besides LAVs are so damn fun.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.08 21:54:00 - [4] - Quote I havent seen one survive a tank though...
madd mudd 41	Posted - 2012.09.08 21:58:00 - [5] - Quote I've gotten very close to taking out a tank with a saga... not close enough
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.09.08 21:59:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I havent seen one survive a tank though... Well you havent seen a charybdis/limbus yet on the battlefield. And i start to think that im the only 1 who has them
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:09:00 - [7] - Quote I drive a Limbus sometimes, the only downside is sheer teammate stupidity. Relying on your teammates is a severe penalty for it. I have taken out a tank in it with a great gunner using my best small railgun turret. And the great thing is that I have about 11 of these from Salvage which is awesome.
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:10:00 - [8] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: I drive a Limbus sometimes, the only downside is sheer teammate stupidity. Relying on your teammates is a severe penalty for it. I have taken out a tank in it with a great gunner using my best small railgun turret. And the great thing is that I have about 11 of these from Salvage which is awesome. Also, mine isn't really for support, it has armor reppers and a remote one, but it can take at least 2 hits from a tank railgun.
Tectonious Falcon 23	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:11:00 - [9] - Quote Is it more useful to have a lot of shielding on an LAV or lots of armour?
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:15:00 - [10] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Is it more useful to have a lot of shielding on an LAV or lots of armour? Depends, is it Gallente or Caldari?

Mobius Kaethis Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 306	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:19:00 - [11] - Quote I agree with the OP that the logics LAV has a pretty decenty survivability the issue is that there are very few times it can do enough repping (and this mostly has to be tanks since infantry always run away when you try and help them) to pay for itself. Its fun to drive but ultimately I don't think they are worth it. Stick with the cheaper LAV kit it out to survive some swarms and act as a fast attack anti-infantry vehicle. Its more effective that way.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:26:00 - [12] - Quote You get free LAVs which don't require SP outlay. I have been using lots of militia vehicles of every type. I think the good LAV's are seriously underrated. They're can take a swarm hit or 2 which can really help. I lose my 88k suit far too often because I get 1hit from a railgun or such while driving somewhere. I might put some points into vehicles, but assault rifle proficiency is sucking up my SP currently. Edit; Cloud I'd probably relax on the support modules myself, for more resist/rep modules. Support yourself ;)
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:38:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Is it more useful to have a lot of shielding on an LAV or lots of armour? It usually goes by race, but barring that, here's how you tell for any given vehicle: look at the base armor and shield. If one is significantly higher, that's usually an indicator. Then look at slot layout. If it has more highs, that's an indicator for shield, and if it has lots of lows, that's an indicator for armor. Also look at shield recharge rate, but the first two will usually tell you whether it's meant to be shield or armor tanked.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:41:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Seriously they are perfect to back up tanks, infantry and installations. When you slack some remote repair modules on it you can help out a armor HAV driver alot. And repairing damaged installations is SP farming. Another thing is that logistic LAV's are extreme hard to destroy you need around 3-4 railgun hits to be killed well the only downside is that your turret does only 50% damage. Well for supporting tanks i got this fit: Limbus LAV -Militia Missile Launcher -25% armor resistance -2X Small remote armor repairs -damage controll unit -small remote shield booster -remote shield booster for dropsuits (inbuild remote armor repair for dropsuits which is not avaible on the marketplace) Means i have 5 modules with that i can support my team. Sure i dont have a armor repair module for myself but for this reason i carry a advanced repair tool on my dropsuit. As soon i take to much damage i run off and fix my vehicle in a few secs and back up my team again. Worked out perfect in the corp battles so far. well whats you guys opinion about logistic LAV's? In my opinion it takes to long to lvl up for them cause you need alot o skills to be aible to use them. LAVs are easy to blow up, that's why.
Pezz IsDank Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:48:00 - [15] - Quote madd mudd wrote: I've gotten very close to taking out a tank with a saga... not close enough Took one out with a LAV yesterday, not sure what tier it was. My cousin called in a militia LAV with a missile launcher turret and we saw this tank barely get away from our team and I said it'd be funny if we chased after it and finished it off with a LAV. Sure enough we did, the tank had been turned around and we flew over this hill and right next to it, he jumped out and i dumped 3-4 missiles into the tank and got it. It was awesome xD
Purple Lipton Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 33	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote I ran with the OP for a while today and the whole time he was doing this he only died once while following tanks and even then the lav made it until he was able to spawn and return to it.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.08 23:14:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I havent seen one survive a tank though... On their own, Logistics LAVs are not suppose to. But in a group, it buys time for the group to escape should they be under attack by forge guns and swarm launchers.
xeto rak Epidemic. Space Immigration 23	Posted - 2012.09.08 23:39:00 - [18] - Quote Logistics are like in EVE, they are advanced stuff. You need be in a team of people that work together and trust each other with a good commander. So far comms don't seem to work or be friendly enough for people to use them, unless of course like most people in EVE you end up using Vent or Mumble. So good luck to you... I am going to wait till the game is launched and some good EVE corps start recruiting mercs. I do not believe in Dust corps, they don't have a full picture unless they are run by EVE masters... Also I hope ccp will make electronic warfare available soon.
Ter Ateb Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.09.09 00:30:00 - [19] - Quote My Packed AV grenades look forward to meeting your kitted out LAV
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.09.09 00:36:00 - [20] - Quote The dark cloud supported me with his lgoi LAV when i was driving around his some. (because he asked me to) And I was freaking unstoppable. He just casually drove behind me, and kept my health at full while I just blew away everything. IN A FREAKING MILITIA ARMOR TANK. Logi LAV's are fantastic when used right.

Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.09.09 00:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ter Ateb wrote: My Packed AV grenades look forward to meeting your kitted out LAV And this is why I switched to my Surya. BS AV grenades.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.09.09 00:45:00 - [22] - Quote Ter Ateb wrote: My Packed AV grenades look forward to meeting your kitted out LAV normal packed av grenades? Ive ran into a guy who spammed hollow ex packed av grenades. I survived all 3 of them. You need much more to take out a logistic LAV. in the last build i could even take 4 hits from a prototype forgegun you think some av grenades would stop me?
Tectonious Falcon 23	Posted - 2012.09.09 04:29:00 - [23] - Quote I recently started using LAV's and they are really powerful when you get a good gunner. If there is enough space you can even take down tanks.
Tectonious Falcon 23	Posted - 2012.09.09 04:30:00 - [24] - Quote Also which do you guys think is more effective Rail guns or missiles?
Daalzebul Del'Armgo D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 48	Posted - 2012.09.09 05:05:00 - [25] - Quote Vs tanks would be railguns Vs infantry missiles Vs both missiles.
RedBleach 50	Posted - 2012.09.09 05:25:00 - [26] - Quote I would propose that more people don't spec into it because of the lack of items needing repaired. Lack of Installations, or replacements. Most of the tanks I meet have yet to be stopped by randoms... that is the reason, randoms. Under a united team a coordinated repper, tank commander, drop squad, logi's ect. are very effective. But most matches have only a few actual groups working together, even fewer mics, and a lack of communication. I even have trouble getting people to gun on my dropships that hare maxed to the nines with firepower, shields, and armor - I still get shot down but we rake in some good kills and can shift the tide of an ambush in only a minute or two. (It is sad that I have to beg for gunners; I drop down next to campers, rambos, runners, heavies and just see them trying to go to an objective and refuse faster travel, better positioning, and more kills for the team... sorry enough sadness ) I run logi, always will, and I am excited to see the new sp changes in the next build to compliment my role of keeping the slayers alive and in their expensive armors and getting them to the objectives. TEAMWORK and COMMUNICATION are the only things holding us back.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 786	Posted - 2012.09.09 06:14:00 - [27] - Quote The main problem with logistic LAV's is that the turrets do half the damage as with a normal LAV. This makes your gunner next to useless. They are pretty good at support, but the entire mechanic of remote repair needs serious love. The range is downright terrible. The aiming is incredibly awkward, and the camera can be merciless when it comes to keeping them in line of sight. Though, in ideal conditions one of these LAV's can make infantry in front of it pretty much immortal to anything that can't instakill them. My limbus last build could survive four forge gun blasts and still be in good shape. Dark cloud, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on replacing the remote repair module with a series of turret variants instead.. Catch me Ingame in the channel "CWNK" or on IRC!
Seran Jinkar Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 214	Posted - 2012.09.13 08:44:00 - [28] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: The main problem with logistic LAV's is that the turrets do half the damage as with a normal LAV. This makes your gunner next to useless. They are pretty good at support, but the entire mechanic of remote repair needs serious love. The range is downright terrible. The aiming is incredibly awkward, and the camera can be merciless when it comes to keeping them in line of sight. Though, in ideal conditions one of these LAV's can make infantry in front of it pretty much immortal to anything that can't instakill them. My limbus last build could survive four forge gun blasts and still be in good shape. Dark cloud, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on replacing the remote repair module with a series of turret variants instead.. Catch me Ingame in the channel "CWNK" or on IRC! Logi LAV turrets only do half the damage? Did I miss something? Gotta check it out. Edit: It really does. Yay that means no advantage from spending 1.9 million sp (more or less) into Logi LAV I do agree that the advanced (in this case Logi) LAV are quite durable. The biggest problem is getting splashed out of it with even the shields at 70% ! Already lost 2 Charybdis to me getting shot out of the driver seats by splash damage from AV nades and railguns.


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