DUST Search - [Suggestion] Tank: Separate the Driver from the main-turret.

Seran Jinkar wrote:

immortal ironhide wrote:

Kyy Seiska wrote:

Many current tank abusers might be against this, but it's actually pretty reasonable suggestion that improves:
Team-work, somewhat balances vehicles and potentially offers new character builds like gunner, driver etc.

The obvious question:
why are tanks the only vehicles in the game that only need one person to both drive and operate the main turret.

- You need 2 players to get the most out from simple LAV.
- Drop-ship without gunners can only fly. Drop-ship without pilot, can't fly.

Why not just make Tanks work in similar fashion?
if you want to use the main turret you need to be the gunner, if you want to drive the tank you better be on the drivers position.
Since tanks seem to require loads of teamwork to take down, why do they require none to operate?

This would also solve few other problems as well.
- Unable to see where you are going due to slow turret / camera turning speed.
- Driver should be the only one that has the ability to see the tank from 3rd person perspective.
- Upcoming Smoke grenades and EMP grenades could severely hinder the gunners due to poor visibility / turret camera system failing.
- Boost the usefulness of many tank modules like the speed module (due to a driver and gunner being separate roles, you could drive the tank while gunners handle the shooting. )

stupidest idea i have ever heard tbqh.....
you even posted why it is a TERRIBLE idea..."Unable to see where you are going due to slow turret / camera turning speed."

so by seperating the driver from the main gun you expect to make the tank weaker...yea not gunna work that way.

1) will make shooting infantry much easier, since gunner can just spam the cannon instead of you know having to worry about watching where he is driving and avoiding obstacles. can focus on av infantry while not having to worry about backing into a hill and getting stuck.
2) yes let me train a ton of SP then spend 1.5mil to fit this tank that im not gunna get a kill with....geniussssss. seriously ppl train for a tank for a reason..to be able to fire the main gun and farm infantry...you dont like it train some AV and make the tank pop rather easy if you spend the points on swarms or forge instead of lolprotoweapons or iwinnades.
3) comparing it to TRANSPORT vehicles...tank is a COMBAT vehicle, meaning it is designed to have the driver SHOOTING the main gun.
4) boost speed modules..what?? so the tank will be faster, driver can just drive, gunner can just shoot, and the tank is more balanced this way

tanks are balanced more due to the driver having to go stationary to make accurate shots. take away the turret and a tank is never gunna stop driving. forge guns destroy tanks so easily because the tanks have to stop to turn since they are trying to shoot infantry AND drive. dont know how many i have made drive into a building or hill and get stuck so i can easily blow them up

You Sir have not really understood the meaning of this thread. It's about creating complexity similar to dropships and LAVs, NOT about nerfing something. YES, a well coordinated tank with gunner and driver will work more effectively, BUT also requires more coordination and would resemble the tanks, as we know them, much better.

Oh and btw .. Tanks are support vehicles not Combat Vehicles. They are similar to the Cavalry in medieval times. They come in and flank the enemy or break through their lines. They do assault and need both crew and support concerning fuel and ammo (unlike the DUST tanks), but they can't win a fight on their own. With the current state of the game it seems the role has already been corrected by making them rely on infantry around them to stop forge gunners and swarmers.


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Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.04 11:21:00 - [1] - Quote bad idea what ******* game do u know with tanks that doesnt have the tank driver using the main gun dumb suggestion, not a good way to balance tanks Dropships =/= tanks Dropships = transport chopper from BF3
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.19 13:03:00 - [2] - Quote Seran Jinkar wrote: immortal ironhide wrote: Kyy Seiska wrote: Many current tank abusers might be against this, but it's actually pretty reasonable suggestion that improves: Team-work, somewhat balances vehicles and potentially offers new character builds like gunner, driver etc. The obvious question: why are tanks the only vehicles in the game that only need one person to both drive and operate the main turret. - You need 2 players to get the most out from simple LAV. - Drop-ship without gunners can only fly. Drop-ship without pilot, can't fly. Why not just make Tanks work in similar fashion? if you want to use the main turret you need to be the gunner, if you want to drive the tank you better be on the drivers position. Since tanks seem to require loads of teamwork to take down, why do they require none to operate? This would also solve few other problems as well. - Unable to see where you are going due to slow turret / camera turning speed. - Driver should be the only one that has the ability to see the tank from 3rd person perspective. - Upcoming Smoke grenades and EMP grenades could severely hinder the gunners due to poor visibility / turret camera system failing. - Boost the usefulness of many tank modules like the speed module (due to a driver and gunner being separate roles, you could drive the tank while gunners handle the shooting. ) stupidest idea i have ever heard tbqh..... you even posted why it is a TERRIBLE idea..."Unable to see where you are going due to slow turret / camera turning speed." so by seperating the driver from the main gun you expect to make the tank weaker...yea not gunna work that way. 1) will make shooting infantry much easier, since gunner can just spam the cannon instead of you know having to worry about watching where he is driving and avoiding obstacles. can focus on av infantry while not having to worry about backing into a hill and getting stuck. 2) yes let me train a ton of SP then spend 1.5mil to fit this tank that im not gunna get a kill with....geniussssss. seriously ppl train for a tank for a reason..to be able to fire the main gun and farm infantry...you dont like it train some AV and make the tank pop rather easy if you spend the points on swarms or forge instead of lolprotoweapons or iwinnades. 3) comparing it to TRANSPORT vehicles...tank is a COMBAT vehicle, meaning it is designed to have the driver SHOOTING the main gun. 4) boost speed modules..what?? so the tank will be faster, driver can just drive, gunner can just shoot, and the tank is more balanced this way tanks are balanced more due to the driver having to go stationary to make accurate shots. take away the turret and a tank is never gunna stop driving. forge guns destroy tanks so easily because the tanks have to stop to turn since they are trying to shoot infantry AND drive. dont know how many i have made drive into a building or hill and get stuck so i can easily blow them up You Sir have not really understood the meaning of this thread. It's about creating complexity similar to dropships and LAVs, NOT about nerfing something. YES, a well coordinated tank with gunner and driver will work more effectively, BUT also requires more coordination and would resemble the tanks, as we know them, much better. Oh and btw .. Tanks are support vehicles not Combat Vehicles. They are similar to the Cavalry in medieval times. They come in and flank the enemy or break through their lines. They do assault and need both crew and support concerning fuel and ammo (unlike the DUST tanks), but they can't win a fight on their own. With the current state of the game it seems the role has already been corrected by making them rely on infantry around them to stop forge gunners and swarmers. dumbest suggestion ive seen on these forums yet.......and yes there have been some really dumb ones...like requesting capes and grappling hooks......this surpasses those. immortal pointed out that the driver already has the problem of having to stop most times to shoot moving the main turret away from the driver is in turn making stuff EASIER for corps, sure in ur little hisec pub games a random A drops one and Random B guns and neither are in any coordination this suggestion just shows me again most ppl do not play clan matches or in any real organised clan. also bringing realism into an unrealistic game is ******. stating how tanks work irl never translated to how it works in a video game. gonna bold this next line cuz i LOVE how ppl keep avoiding it WHEN MTACS, FIGHTERS AND GUNSHIPS GET ADDED ARE PPL GONNA CRY AND ASK CCP TO MAKE 1 PERSON OPERATE THE LEGS OF THE MTAC AND 1 GUN? GONNA SEPERATE THE GUNS FROM THE FIGHTER FROM THE PILOT? SAME WITH GUNSHIP? STOP ***** COMPARING TRANSPORT VEHICLES TO VEHICLES DESIGNED FOR OFFENSE. DROPSHIPS = TRANSPORT CHOPPER, GUNSHIP THAT WILL BE ADDED = ATTACK CHOPPER WHICH MEANS CCP IS GONNA GIVE THE PILOT THE ABILITY TO SHOOT HIS OWN GUNS STOP MOANING ABOUT TANKS ALREADY THEY GOT NERFED AND TURRET SPEED NERFED SO IF U STILL CANT KILL THEM U ARE NOT VERY GOOD.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.19 13:29:00 - [3] - Quote Seran Jinkar wrote: Yep .. he didn't read it ... effective vehicles should be a team effort. They should reward team play and coordination. the stronger the vehicle the more crew (seperate driver and gunnner) or support (ammo and refueling) it should need. That's the background of this thread. FOLLOWING YOUR CAPS ITS ABOUT TANKS NEED TWO PEOPLE TO OPERATE. SINGLE PERSON VEHICLES WITH ATTACK FUNCTION SHOULD REQUIRE REFUELING, CAPS OR AMMUNITION. THIS IS THE INTENT TO SEPERATE ONE PERSON IN A DROPSUIT FROM A TEAM THAT SPORTS VEHICLES. lol clearly never driven a tank tanks need gunners to survive aka teamwork turrets trackin were nerfed a sole tank will not realise its full potential a tank with 2 gunners however aka using teamwork uses it to full potential but im not about to sit here and discuss how we operate tank crews so again the intent of this thread still fails as tanks do currently take teamwork same way MTACs and Fighters and gunships will yall seem to be under the delusion that u must have 2 ppl to operate it that that makes it take teamwork which again proves my point that most of the ppl posting these suggestions are a bunch of pubstars with little competitive experience. In organised corp v corp play it will teamwork , fighters will have to coordinate with ground troops, gunships as well, tanks already need gunners to effectively work understand the concept of teamwork and stop judging teamwork based on pub games with randomly organised teams ur never gonna get teamwork on any highscale there the way yall seem to imagine it will happen. seperating the main gun from driver makes tanking easier, 2 corp mates can now run riot as the driver can just focus on driving and now the tank is MORE mobile as it will be moving AND shooting all the time