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Drake-696
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:06:00 -
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First, I'm not saying nerf tanks. My point is simply that in this build we are quickly shifting towards tank wars - 514. Because of the new squad chat system and that no one seems to ever use team any longer, there is little to no organization beyond the squad level. With the recent AV, forge gun, and swarm launcher nerfs the only way to kill well designed tanks is to be organized about it as a team. Right now, that just isn't happening.
The effect of tanks is to cause many people to become annoyed with the game and either A) quit or B) spec into a tank. I'm already beginning to see 3 - 4 tanks a side now and it's whichever side fields the most tanks the quickest that wins. A single infantry suit should not be able to solo a tank. But if tank wars is making it impossible to play infantry because everyone is in a tank then there's a problem. We're not there yet but it's starting to trend in such a manner.
Another problem is the forced ambush matches. They further lead to disorganized teams. Uplinks get camped or destroyed quickly and random spawn locations often end up in being killed by a tank before you finish loading. I am listening to more and more people who are getting extremely unhappy with DUST. I've been defending tanks and their not needing a nerf and I stand by that sentiment. However, with the current build and its limitations (and forced modes of play), tanks are becoming a problem.
Anyway, I'll be speccing into a tank. I have a ton of ISK stored and it seems the only way to counter a tank now - with a tank. My Heavy AV gets one shot off, if he doesn't get destroyed by infantry first, scratches the paint of the tank, then the tank turns and destroys me, or one of his two buddies on the map. So, while I see too many people specc'ing as tank drivers problematic, I intend to add to the problem. After all, it is a beta, and we're here to break things. Uber tank here I come. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:17:00 -
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Use cheap tanks. Nothing is such a wind up as destroying a Surya with a Sica (where's your repairs now huh? HUH?) lol
I too have switched. All my SP is a waste except shield skills now.
Militia tank ftw!!! |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:17:00 -
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Drake-696 wrote: A single infantry suit should not be able to solo a tank. .
Why not?
Tank can solo pretty much the whole team now, so what gives with dedicated av-build soloing tanks.
High price is a poor argument as there's still nothing else that is equally powerful from same price range that can take down tanks. Except for well, a tank or a battalion of those. |
Drake-696
Doomheim
53
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:28:00 -
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Kyy Seiska wrote:Drake-696 wrote: A single infantry suit should not be able to solo a tank. . Why not? Tank can solo pretty much the whole team now, so what gives with dedicated av-build soloing tanks. High price is a poor argument as there's still nothing else that is equally powerful from same price range that can take down tanks. Except for well, a tank or a battalion of those.
A truly dedicated well specced heavy AV build, perhaps. What I meant by my statement was the idiots who think their assault suit or scout suit with a handful of AV nades should be able to take out a tank with their nades and assault rifle. But even still if that specced heavy suit costs half the price of the specced tank, it should take two of them, or one of them with support, to take it out. |
cyrell ithikar
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:37:00 -
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I agree with most of the comments so far tanks are becoming unbearable in this build. They don't need a nerf but they do need some balance. 1st tanks are more mobile and agile then an infantry, this needs to change they can keep good top speed and be made much slower accelerating and changing directions. They are the BS of dust. 2nd either there armor or the weapons used against them need some balance. AV grenades if taken are basically useless you cant use them against infantry which is fine but the 3 an infantry man gets don't scratch a tank these days. Swarm launchers just take to many hits and with tank mobility they often can impact shot on objects far to easy as i said the tanks are more mobile then the infantry shooting them.
Forge guns are good damage but far to slow to be effective the tanks able to easily target and kill before you get a shot off.
Lastly I don't see a problem with some match such as the skirmish style with random spawn points not having tanks as an option. Final point would be the stationary turrets are far less durable then tanks this needs to change, if a turret and tank square off face to face the tanks win. This shouldn't be the case the turret should have much more armor then any vehicle rolling around the battle |
Johnson McCrea
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:39:00 -
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Tanks cost money too, specially those rigged to deal with AV squads (at least long enough to get out of sight, that is).
I have a Bolo Impact fit thats totally Militia, and free, and gives people headaches if they can't kill it quick. But my Militia Sica has mods, and costs over 500k isk. So you can imagine I tend to avoid other tanks and AV squads, 'cept the time I killed the Gunlogi (talk about fail fit).
Since they got rid of the free dropships, and seriously screwed up the flight dynamics, people have shifted to ground vehicles. We still have the occasional idiot trying to get road kills in Impacts, which means a tank isn't all you have to watch out for as infantry. |
wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:40:00 -
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as a dropship pilot I welcome anything that can kill me. All your tanks on the field and ill still be flying low slow and annoyingly in ur face like a fly u just cant squash mwahahahaha weather I win r lose I will annoy u |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:41:00 -
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I would say a dude with AV nades should be able to solo a tank. Provided he brought hives too. Not throw 20 of the things and watch the tank drive away. 20 AV nades should kill any tank. You get 3 FFS.
Borg's tank is buff. But he shouldn't think my AV nades are locus grenades. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:48:00 -
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Well, the whole "price = power" argument is kind of stupid. I mean really, do you think that in real life warfare, the price of anti-tank weaponry, is the same price as the target tank? I bet you anything that RPG's and anti-tank mines are significantly cheaper than a full blown tank, but they are still very capable of killing them. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.09.03 18:18:00 -
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nvm |
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Kincate
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.09.03 19:03:00 -
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Oh the joys of yesterbuild where everyone swarmed tanks and dropships and those same vehicles where destroyed by some circle jerk runner with an assault rifle.
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