i think they need to work on the store too seems like you can only look up items once or twice and then they just load forever

See i thought hp differences were fine it brought strategy instead of fps skill so even a person who wasnt good with shoot first die first could still do decent in games it would show its true colors once this game was out for awhile


btw wtf how come they dont post this stuff on here?

So, later this month? Tonight then? lol

yeah but its like chat in game right,skype,aol, whatever u use if u miss it u cant find it or do they have a log of everything stated

I'm not sure about during beta, but CCP is actually really good at communicating things, at least when it comes to eve. So no clue why they are being hush hush about some things here.

Not sure if this has been answered before but I am curious if it has not been answered if you wants to ask a dev...

Right now we currently have 4 drop suit classes and each class has a race associated with it. In th future (by full retail release) will each drop suit have a variant in multiple races with different perks/bonuses/draw-backs? Ie Caldari suits more shields, Gallente suits more armor etc.

Thank you.

r they wiping us again when new build comes or no? have u guys talked about it i just cant wait until the day comes i start to keep my stuff :P

cant be right, i experience it all the time even during the low user count periods

Not sure if this has been answered before but I am curious if it has not been answered if you wants to ask a dev...

Right now we currently have 4 drop suit classes and each class has a race associated with it. In th future (by full retail release) will each drop suit have a variant in multiple races with different perks/bonuses/draw-backs? Ie Caldari suits more shields, Gallente suits more armor etc.

Thank you.

Oh come'on!
More bonuses for stats, why?
Also skills give bonuses without trade-off: welcome cheapness.
Really this is a FPS player's skills should be the only hings that matter in a FPS not in-game stats.

Why newcomers must be disadvantaged so much simply because they are new and don't have access to the enough in-game skills.

[question] any chance of giving Mass Drivers a better aiming reticule?... like one that shows where the grenade will land +/-10%... something that moves along the ground like a small targeting square, that can follow terrain elevation, allowing for less "intuitive" use of the Mass Driver.

Multiple Stage Maps/Game Modes
'Yes they're comming back but not skirmish mode the skirmish fell apart with the overly favoring the defenders.'

What does this mean? They're not actually getting rid of skirmish are they or am I reading that wrong?

This is a true testamenant to how out of touch the IRC channel truly is with what FPS gamers want. Not even a single mention of RBS, Recoil, Weapon Mechanics, or New Assault Rifles & Attachements.

Fact is, the vast majority of PS3 players won't go near that channel b/c the fact you even have to memorize commands to log in is a wall no one wants to deal with.

30 is kind of an arbitrary number. Why choose it?

Here some issues just off the top of my head.

1. Hit detection sucks
2. Controls are terrible and need redone
3. Range on weapons is stupid, I can hold my SMG on tsrget and have a chance 9m away, but 10m away I don'tland a single hit.
4. The feedback on when you get hits is terrible, don't know if one or everyone of my hits are landing.
5. Skills that improve a guns stats like weapon damage
6. Tanks > infantry
7. Games movement is too slow for the amount of health we have.
8. Skill is usually overturned by lag or the fact that the person your facing has grinded for SP longer.

Thats just a few of the issues I see. I have heard them voiced several times and zippo feedback from devs

And I don' even play that much so I am not totally sure if these are the only ones either.

I'm guessing that what seems to be upsetting some people is that the DEVs don't post everything to do with DUST onto the DUST forums.

I think i really like this game, and until it is released(and therefore considered somewhat finished) i'd like to be able to hear more about what is being planed for this game, and about any changes that may find their way into it.

As a beta tester, i'd like to think that my input is more then as a mere data producing automaton, that the forums are being read by CCP employees and the collective observations of the beta testers taken into account.

really what would alleviate some of this concern, would be more DEV responses and posts.

but then i've seen in other games forums how often such posts can be taken out of context, can take on a life of their own in a chinese whispers kind of way. People get worked up over things that people are saying that the DEVs said were going to be done or undone, and in reality DEVs are usually quite cryptic about changes that Might get made.

The DEVs also have seen how things get out of control, so though they may want to say more then they do, they just cannot.

This is usually why a lot of what players learn, doesn't always come from the games forums, but from other sites that deal with reviews or publicity. Doing things this way allows the DEVs to get information out to its players, in a round about way, but also to people who aren't playing the game, so that they can become interested in it.

In the end, as long as I can be sure that CCP employees are reading these forums and passing along information, I can be happy that my part in this games creation is valid.

I know that CCP has already got planned how this game should be, I am just here to test the games' systems, and that eventually all the systems will get compiled into one program, and that the game will be released when that happens.

1) When do you guys plan on 'adjusting' this current AV 'fix'? Are we going to have to wait clear until the next build? :/

2) How are you distributing the rewards for the corp battles? The Caldari and Gallente are putting up good fights for one another, while the Minmatar are decimating the Amarr. I don't believe it would be fair for the Minmatar to get rewards and neither the Caldari or Gallente, seeing as they didn't have a chance to fight the Minmatar corps.

Question: What was the weapon chosen from Wolf somethings world of weapons thread?

Going back to my quick list of issues,

# 5 I think was damage increased by gun stats.
- Personally I think that increasing material stats such as damage a bullet does per shot is bad in an FPS game. Same with fire rate in automatic weapons or such. Base gun stats should be pretty similar between a new player and an old player, the old players gun shouldn't somehow be more damaging that the new players because he is "skilled" at it.

Things such as bein certified to operate a weapon, compensate for recoil, hold steady to reduce barrel wander, reload faster, swap faster, fire steady for a longer time, and other more physically related skills make sense. But no amount of training is going to make a gun hit harder.

On the #7 movement issue, I believe the game should be faster as in movement speed. Initially I wanted the game slowed down, but I have decided otherwise since E3 build. The game benefits from faster movement. Not drastically faster, just a buff combined with fixed hit detection to help keep scouts from being OP again.
Also I believe that stamina could use a buff, you do so much running it takes forever on foot, and vehicles are too expensive to use as a regular infantry. The militia LAV is also tin foil armor, so it dies really fast too.

As for your answers to my other issues, they have been "fixing" hit detection for 3 builds now. I will believe it when I see it.

I'M LOOKING FOR TO THEM FIX GERNADES AT SOME POINT.

GO DUST

The top tier damage modules are 10% and do make quite a big difference, especially with a proto rifle and maxed skills in those areas.

I'm still running around in an assault II suit and taking out guys with much better tank than me due to having a really, really high DPS.

I've got long term concerns about how weapon damage is going to scale on new players against older players.

Has their been any mention of T2 equipment in Dust as early as launch?

See i played alot of mmorpgs and the higher lvl u r the more awesome u r i like this concept i think they had it right before now with the changing the health so everyone is equal is like this game is going backwards

I approve of skills that determine how well u do in battle and i never want that changed or i might as well go back to -imput name of popular shooter here-

Didn't read the whole post so I'm sorry if this is a repeat. What about being able to compare items in the store simultaneously before purchase? It would make it a bit easier to choose an effective path for a build.

NO ****. They're tanks. Clearly another lone-wolf who can't stand the thought of someone he can't drop in one shot with his "skillz". It's a bloody tank. If you aren't killing it, it means your team isn't doing enough to surround and hammer it. Yes, one of the factors is that the things can just run away, but I think your complaints are going to vanish into thin air when the Web mines come out and suddenly that tank is standing still, just melting under your swarm launchers and AV nades. Tanks seem OP because we don't have all the tools to counter them yet. This is exactly why they said their focus was on deploying content and not bug fixing and balance right now, because you need to have all the assets in place before you can really work out how they balance against each other.

I mean, everyone loves to say this isn't a Beta because "it isn't like (x) multiplayer beta I played". Well, to use that as an example, they talk about their experience with such "Betas" being indicative of CCP not caring about gameplay because in those they were re-adjusting mechanics from community feedback. The thing is, those were pretty much finished products, and with all the tools in play, they could work on balance without the worry of introducing something later that broke the whole system. Anyone here play the Starhawk closed beta?

EDIT: This is now my favorite thread. The more I read through it, the more awesome it got. We need more threads like this that actually discuss perceived issues into a relate-able format. Good thread, Iron.

Random Bullet Spread

Basically, devs use it as a replacement for weapon recoil. Instead of adding considerable recoil to a gun, where as you hold down automatic fire, and the longer you hold down the trigger, the more the gun bounces all over the screen (although usually upward)

Instead of this, RBS make your first round or first couple rounds (depending on how dev programs it) go on target. However the more you hold down trigger, the more the subsequent "bullets" RANDOMLY spread away from center/cross hairs....this method is generally frowned upon by FPSers because even though your crosshairs are on target, the bullets randomly go elesewhere. Recoil is preferred because you KNOW your aim is off, because your crosshairs actually travel off target. You can visually see, and adjust.