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Zondervin Tau
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:52:00 -
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Please forgive me if this is posted elsewhere...
So, I am wondering about the BPO mechanic of EvE vs. Dust.
In EvE:
BPO: Can make unlimited copies of blueprint item provided you have the materials and skills to create. Also, can create bpc.
- A BPO allows creation of an item . It is not the item itself.
- Skills required to create item
In Dust:
BPO: Is an unlimited supply of an item. No materials or skills required for creation.
- A BPO is the item
- Skills required only to use item.
It is my sincerest hope that the current BPO mechanic for Dust is simply for the beta. The EvE way of doing BPO's should be implemented in Dust. Otherwise the reduction of available isk in eve/dust would be slower. Further less materials would be needed to wage war. In a sense if the current Dust BPO mechanic was used it could represent a path to pay to win. There are probably other implications as well.
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Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.08.31 09:06:00 -
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Yeah its just a beta implementation. While I'm not sure about making BPCs of BPOs I do have some details that will help you out.
Supplies and Materials will be introduced. They will be consumed every time you use your BPO or BPC to spawn with gear. In HiSec matches this stuff will be supplied by Npc corporations, so the player only has to worry about having enough copies of their blue prints.
This changes in NullSec where the war barge for each side will have these materials and supplies on it and they need to be provides by the corporation to keep their soldiers in gear. The stuff will be both bought off the market and manufactured by Dust corps. |
Zondervin Tau
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:28:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:Yeah its just a beta implementation. While I'm not sure about making BPCs of BPOs I do have some details that will help you out.
Supplies and Materials will be introduced. They will be consumed every time you use your BPO or BPC to spawn with gear. In HiSec matches this stuff will be supplied by Npc corporations, so the player only has to worry about having enough copies of their blue prints.
This changes in NullSec where the war barge for each side will have these materials and supplies on it and they need to be provides by the corporation to keep their soldiers in gear. The stuff will be both bought off the market and manufactured by Dust corps.
So if I am reading you right...in Nullsec I have to buy blueprints for equipment and a corp has to buy "Supplies and materials". So for our gear we have to worry about having enough blueprints AND materials. That kinda sucks, imho. Why cant I just buy equipment. Let someone else get the BPC/BPO, materials and manufacture it. That's how it works in EvE why a different system in Dust. Or am I missing something?? |
Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:39:00 -
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Zondervin Tau wrote:
So if I am reading you right...in Nullsec I have to buy blueprints for equipment and a corp has to buy "Supplies and materials". So for our gear we have to worry about having enough blueprints AND materials. That kinda sucks, imho. Why cant I just buy equipment. Let someone else get the BPC/BPO, materials and manufacture it. That's how it works in EvE why a different system in Dust. Or am I missing something??
Thats how i think it will be. Right now we just have the BPO and BPCs and we can use them as equipment. Later on our BPOs will become blueprints and they need to be manufactured before use. You can of course buy the equipment dirrectly on the market and never touch BPs. (Militia gear may be a loophole where its always an unlimit supply). Later CCP may add BPOs for more advanced gear like Prototype dropsuits but there'll still be a cost to get the equipment from that. Judging by the markets in eve, you may need to pay several hundred million isk for a prototype BPO and it will only save you maybe 5% on the market value of the equipment.... making it only useful for professional manufacturers. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:55:00 -
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I agree that CCP have prolly simplified the manufacturing mechanics for the beta. My guess is that we are really buying EVE-like bpos and bpcs, but that the whole mineral input/skills/manufacturing infrastructure has been turned in the a magical black box for purposes of the beta.
The wailing on the forums would be ear-shattering if console peeps actually had to build their stuff, which they then lost in combat, for the beta test. Rage quits galore.
They don't got TANSTAAFL in their bones yet. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:22:00 -
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Though some us are looking forward to greater depth of play. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 18:35:00 -
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Actually, BPO's in Dust are just like Eve's. The difference though is where they are constructed. In Eve, we go to a factory and build items. In Dust we have the items constructed at the time of use by the War Barge when we are spawned. The 10 sec spawn time is to allow the War Barge to construct the items you need. |
Zondervin Tau
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2012.08.31 21:45:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:Actually, BPO's in Dust are just like Eve's. The difference though is where they are constructed. In Eve, we go to a factory and build items. In Dust we have the items constructed at the time of use by the War Barge when we are spawned. The 10 sec spawn time is to allow the War Barge to construct the items you need.
While this may describe how things are now my hope is that this changes in the near future. With the economy totally player driven it should be players who do the manufacturing. Not a war barge. I could see the war barge holding your equipment and then "giving" it to you as you spawn. But then what happens when the war barge is destroyed? Do you lose all your equipment?
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Patches The Hyena
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:15:00 -
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I believe the manufacturing will be of the materials used by the war barge. You won't just be filling the barge with minerals, but filling it with generic parts used in construction of weapons or armor or vehicles. Then some of those are consumed when you spawn based on the equipment BPCs you have selected to use. |
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