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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.27 22:50:00 -
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I get that you want to have everyone a 'starter' vehicle, but these things are nothing but free points and entirely harmless and useless, being spammed like a plague now that the other militia vehicles are no longer free. Every match I join I see countless militia LAV called in. Most of them I (or others) destroy before they can even be delivered by the RDV, making them nothing but a free 240 points. (+150 for RDV kill, +40 for militia LAV kill, and +50 for the kill of the poor sap who called it down)
Easy solution? Give every player 25-50 or so of these to start off, and then after they use up those BPCs, they will need to purchase them. 25-50 easily gives them time to see if they like LAVs and to train into them.
On the note of BPCS though, make the militia vehicles cheaper! For 'entry level' stuff, they are far too exspensive in relation to their effectiveness. There really isn't much point in buying the militia vehicles at all, right now when for a pittance more you get a vehicle that is twice as effective!
Drop militia dropships and HAV to like 40-50k each and we'll be in a good spot. Make Militia LAV 15-20k. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:59:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't have a problem with it, like you said. they are harmless. I don't see why they should be limited.
The main reason for them being limited is because they are harmless, useless vehicles and all they do is clog up vehicle slots for people who want to call in more useful vehicles. They should be stepping stones. People should have a reason to upgrade them. There's no reason to upgrade a free item, even if the paid one is better. If people want to drive LAVs after they use up their free stock, they should have to pay for them. While they're paying for them, that gives them incentive to upgrade anyways.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not complaining about them. I love the free points they give me. But at the same time, It's bad for the game. Free stuff is always going to be spammed. Free stuff that inhibits your team from using more useful, costly stuff is bad |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2012.08.29 20:55:00 -
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Thanks for the replies folks. (And thanks for the ego-bump, Tony Calif!)
As Tony mentioned, I am mostly driving HAVs this build. Militia LAV are harmless and completely free points for a HAV. But the point was brought up multiple times.. These things are pretty much being used as free taxi or as mobile turret platforms. This is bad.
Someone else brought up a good point. If you want a taxi, you should have someone on your team flying a dropship or specced into LAVs... I made another thread here about ways to encourage or reward dropship pilots for actually ferrying troops where they want to/need to go. Free taxis are bad. Transport is an integral part of the battlefeed, but people should be rewarded for fufilling that role. Without such rewards, people are going to continue to spam free taxis for as long as they are there.
If you want a free mobile turret well... You should suck it up. At the very least your mobile turret should cost you some ISK.
I will give a shoutout to dark cloud though, who uses his LAV pretty cleverly to chase down a HAV or get to a good vantage point to pepper it with swarms. (Even if he couldn't kill my tank) it was a pretty clever tactic. Though, He'd have much more success with a non-militia LAV that I couldn't instablap, and circled it nonstop outrunning the tracking of the HAV main turret.
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:34:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:game will be boring
ppl will leave
randoms dont use teamwork
ppl will not run 500m to an objective
this is a prime example of where EVE thinking will KILL the playerbase
the problems u mention nova will not be an issue with proper teamplay
but the change u are suggesting will hurt hisec pub games with randoms and casuals causing them to leave
keep sayin it what works in EVE will not always translate well to a FPS.....ppl need to think about the broader community and not have everything especially hisec games meant for casuals to be a borefest
How is this "Eve thinking"? This is an FPS problem. People don't want to run 500m to an objective, sure. But that's why it's an incentive for people to actually bother to transport. If they actually added a mechanic/reward like suggested here you can bet your ass I'd be farming points off all the noobs who want a taxi. Free transport isn't the answer. The answer is making the existing transport options more rewarding and attractive!
You don't need a whole team of randoms to work together for that. You just need 1-2 players who know their **** and are willing to support their team. There's always a couple in any pub match. But as for 'proper team play' I will call bullshit on that. I make it a habit to play with anyone and everyone I can, and even the 'best' players who work as a cohesive team still abuse the hell out of these for free taxis.
It's a problem, but the solution is simple. Make the militia LAV not free, but make them cheaper. Make it easier and rewarding for people to actually fufill a transport role.
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2012.08.30 18:26:00 -
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You won't ever need a free taxi if someone could actually get points to take up that role. I would personally give up my HAV if flying dropships was more rewarding. If I could get points for kicking ass at running troop transport? Nobody would need a free LAV, because dropships are so much fun. The reason people don't use them is because you earn practically no SP for them.
Plugging this thread again, for how to make troop transport more practical and rewarding. The sad fact is, no matter how fun something is, unless it's rewarding in some way, most people will seek other options. Like the free LAV. |
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