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Obligatory Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:17:00 -
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First and foremost, this is not a thread for arguing and fighting, this is a thread for EVE news and political discussion to help people unfamiliar with the lay of the land start to find their feet, so if you wish to pick a fight, call someone out or generally disagree, at least to it in a sensible way so that my thread does not get locked. Thank you.
I'd like to share something with you all here, it's a new EVE news site, for those of you serious about Dust but don't know the politics of the game it maybe worth starting to brush up on your information now to keep the advantage you're going to get from being in beta. After all, you wouldn't want to pick the wrong side in a large scale war right off the bat would you?...
Even if you follow EVE politics, it maybe worth you checking the site out and keeping a little more up to date with whats going on in new eden. So...Hold The Front Page
If you wake up in the morning and want to find out what happened in Eve while you slept, where do you go? If you are a Goon, you probably go to jabber and ask someone, or check The War Room for an update post. But the former leads to you being trolled by those merry japesters in your squad into believing that we killed DaBigRedBoatGÇÖs titan in a punishment beating when he told one GÇ£guys, guysGǪGÇ¥ story too many, while the updates only happen every week or so at best.
There are a couple of eve news websites, but one, the archaic Tribune, is published fortnightly in some steam-powered 19th century factory while the other is RiveriniGÇÖs cesspit of barely-literate squawkings and openly propagandistic flatulence poorly masquerading as language. Fact-checking is laughable, and relying on what you read there will get you laughed at when you repeat his paranoid rantings or obvious sock-puppeting.
If you doubt the combination of arrogance, hostility and inaccuracy that dominates what is fed to gullible readers of RiveriniGÇÖs site, then look at this link: http://i.imgur.com/nKVBI.png Riverini "gets to name coalitions". Instead of "CFC" he uses "Deklein Coalition" GÇô TCFGÇÖs bloc which has been dead for almost two years GÇô and because he is hostile to Test and Pandemic Legion (now members of a different bloc entirely) he lumps them into this fictional entity simply because it suits him to do so. A site which was a bit of a joke under Czechlion has become a dungheap masquerading as news, with impenetrable, sub-literate grammar and bleating, desperate propaganda, like Der Sturmer written by drunken gibbons.
Other news sources exist in the form of forums, ranging from the enjoyably coruscating Kugutsumen to the barely tolerable official forums, but Eve lacks a broad-based source of news and insight. We think that it is time to fix that.
TheMittani dot com
I know what you are thinking: this time he has gone too far. Has our own Ozymandias erected an entire site dedicated to the worship and adoration of the Dear Leader? Will he arrange vast, coordinated dancing displays in front of the PeoplesGÇÖ Palace complete with World of Tanks parades and rifter flypasts?
In fact, I chose the name TheMittani.com while Mittens wanted the new site to be called some dreary and worthy sobriquet: "Eve News Network" or something wearily quotidian like that. IGÇÖve literally forgotten. The fact is that "The Mittani" is a brand these days, and I wanted to make use of it: itGÇÖs provocative, itGÇÖs well-known, itGÇÖs distinctive and most important of all it was available as a dot com domain at a reasonable priceGǪ
If weGÇÖve learned one thing from the life and works of Noam Chomsky it is that there is still good money to be made by churning out articles with the old Random Postmodern Essay Generator, slapping your name on them and sticking in a bit about how all Americans are bastards at the top. But if we have learned anything else from his work, it is that it is impossible to entirely divorce a news source from the biases of its proprietors. We realise this, and I have already been prevented from running a scathing expose on Mittens' use of chin-wigs during photo shoots for the CSM campaign. But this isnGÇÖt about controlling the news cycle or disseminating propaganda. Nor is it just about sticking it to Riverini, although that is a fun by-product.
Our goal is to turn TheMittani.com into somewhere that everyone wants to come to read up-to-date news and insightful articles on Eve Online (and a few of the games that Eve Online players tend to enjoy, like World of Tanks, MWO, League of Legends and the like). We wonGÇÖt do that by churning out attack pieces on everyone we happen to be at war with. So we already have people on-board from other alliances like The Initiative (Malcanis) and Pandemic Legion (Grath), as well as the mysterious epic poet James315 (from who knows where?), and we hope to draw upon sources across all of Eve as people learn that weGÇÖre interested in providing news and insight, not just propaganda.
On that note, Goonswarm is built upon a community of people who enjoy posting about things, and in Waffe in particular that meant being able to not get banned from SomethingAwful for being terrible at posting. So if you have an idea for an article or even a series of articles on Eve, Dust 514 or related games then please hit me up on jabber or in forums PM and we can discuss it. It may be that you just want a large audience: we hope that TheMittani.com will be able to provide that. But regular contributors will be showered with plexes, ISK, spaceships and the like.
One other thing you can do to help would be to retweet news about the site, especially if you would be so kind as to mention http://www.themittani.com in your tweets!
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J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:22:00 -
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If your starting the Mittani.com, I'm starting the J'Jor Da'wg.com.
We will strive to be filled with the most kitteny articles you can find in New Eden. Enjoy. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:24:00 -
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That was a horrendous wall of text to promote www.themittani.com. I read it everyday and enjoy it, but damn that post is terrible.
www.themittani.com for all your EVE news.
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:28:00 -
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Don't blame me, it was our Counter Intel guy's original post from Somethingawful.com
I just happened to C&P it here because i thought it would be useful. |
Jack Freedumb
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:51:00 -
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okay look, I'm not up on EVEpolitik, I can only go by what i've seen on the net.
Mittani of Goonswarm who's chief modus operandi is to spread mis-information about others, in order to spread dissension among other corps/alliances.
Goonswarm who are notorious for creating alts to join and subvert other alliance/corps, the same people who have used this spy network to create data bases on players, gleaned from their spies ability to give access to corporation/alliance websites, and then illegally copy Private Information to the Goons database?
Mittani being that douche that called out someones name at a player forum, in order to encourage their real life suicide, yes?
The Goonswarm who kicked up a month long fuss about Mittani's subsiquent (only a ) month long ban for online bullying, by destroying every player cargo ship that tried to enter EVE's biggest trade hub... for a month
Sorry if i have gotten all this wrong, but well... Mittani himself admits to all this. 
So when you advertise a website that is supposed to be a news site.... all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS
imho = please tell me i got all this wrong ... i mean goons sounds kinda cool if you're into that sort of thing ... |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:16:00 -
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mittani is not someone I would trust, yeah he has a brand name within the gaming community he is synonymous with the worst of eve.
Something awful where goonswarms player base comes from, is well know for being trolls, greifers, and the worst kind of internet people, they have entire subfourm based around insulting, making fun of and complaining about other people.
Edit I don't even trust the link, of all the external links on this sight its most likely covered in virus and Trojan |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:22:00 -
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Actually, the site's got very little to do with mittens, He just pays the bills. If you check the website out you'll see stuff is posted by everyone, from our enemys to our allies to neutrals.
It's actually a legit attempt at being the "Go to" place for EVE news, as Digi stated, Mittens didn't want the site to be named after him at all but the decision was made based on the fact that everyone knows him.
Jack Freedumb, Some of what you've said there is true and some of it's not. I'll go into more detail and pick it apart tomorrow, mainly because i want people to get the right idea, if they still hate us and don't want to read the site/contribute that's down to them and nobody is going to have a problem with that at all, but i think it's only fair people have the correct idea before casting judgement. A lot of what's said about us is assumptions and bias, we just tend to play up to it too.
I'm going to bed because it's 2am and it's my birthday tomorrow but i will be back to reply in a sensible fashion, if anyone else has any actual questions they want to pose to someone inside goonwaffe feel free to post them and i'll try to reply if i can and so long as it's not OPSEC.
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Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:25:00 -
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there no good eve news site, i will check it out, but change the name. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:27:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Actually, the site's got very little to do with mittens, He just pays the bills. If you check the website out you'll see stuff is posted by everyone, from our enemys to our allies to neutrals.
It's actually a legit attempt at being the "Go to" place for EVE news, as Digi stated, Mittens didn't want the site to be named after him at all but the decision was made based on the fact that everyone knows him.
Jack Freedumb, Some of what you've said there is true and some of it's not. I'll go into more detail and pick it apart tomorrow, mainly because i want people to get the right idea, if they still hate us and don't want to read the site/contribute that's down to them and nobody is going to have a problem with that at all, but i think it's only fair people have the correct idea before casting judgement. A lot of what's said about us is assumptions and bias, we just tend to play up to it too.
I'm going to bed because it's 2am and it's my birthday tomorrow but i will be back to reply in a sensible fashion, if anyone else has any actual questions they want to pose to someone inside goonwaffe feel free to post them and i'll try to reply if i can and so long as it's not OPSEC.
im not use to agreeable or likeable goons, i dont know what to say. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:36:00 -
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wow great site. check it out if anyones cares about eve politics. the wording of each page needs some work though kinda hard to follow who does what |
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Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:39:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:If your starting the Mittani.com, I'm starting the J'Jor Da'wg.com.
We will strive to be filled with the most kitteny articles you can find in New Eden. Enjoy.
Kiiiittteeennnsss, meow.....I gotta stop watching anime 24/7 *puts head down in shame* |
Randrii
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:54:00 -
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Jack Freedumb wrote:okay look, I'm not up on EVEpolitik, I can only go by what i've seen on the net. Mittani of Goonswarm who's chief modus operandi is to spread mis-information about others, in order to spread dissension among other corps/alliances. Goonswarm who are notorious for creating alts to join and subvert other alliance/corps, the same people who have used this spy network to create data bases on players, gleaned from their spies ability to give access to corporation/alliance websites, and then illegally copy Private Information to the Goons database? Mittani being that douche that called out someones name at a player forum, in order to encourage their real life suicide, yes? The Goonswarm who kicked up a month long fuss about Mittani's subsiquent (only a ) month long ban for online bullying, by destroying every player cargo ship that tried to enter EVE's biggest trade hub... for a month Sorry if i have gotten all this wrong, but well... Mittani himself admits to all this. So when you advertise a website that is supposed to be a news site.... all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:So when you advertise a website that is supposed to be a news site.... all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:FOX NEWS
Dear God no, the world can only take so much ignorance. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.26 03:03:00 -
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Jack Freedumb wrote:okay look, I'm not up on EVEpolitik, I can only go by what i've seen on the net. Mittani of Goonswarm who's chief modus operandi is to spread mis-information about others, in order to spread dissension among other corps/alliances. Goonswarm who are notorious for creating alts to join and subvert other alliance/corps, the same people who have used this spy network to create data bases on players, gleaned from their spies ability to give access to corporation/alliance websites, and then illegally copy Private Information to the Goons database? Mittani being that douche that called out someones name at a player forum, in order to encourage their real life suicide, yes? The Goonswarm who kicked up a month long fuss about Mittani's subsiquent (only a ) month long ban for online bullying, by destroying every player cargo ship that tried to enter EVE's biggest trade hub... for a month Sorry if i have gotten all this wrong, but well... Mittani himself admits to all this. So when you advertise a website that is supposed to be a news site.... all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:So when you advertise a website that is supposed to be a news site.... all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:themittani.com=FOX NEWS Jack Freedumb wrote:FOX NEWS
Dear God no, the world can only take so much ignorance.
Just as much as CNN or almost any of the morning talkshows...
But thats beside the point. Lets try to keep IRL politics out of a game forums, tends to escalate into flame wars....
Edit: dangit, whats up with all these stupid quotes not working |
Obligatory Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.26 09:58:00 -
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You know, a lot of goons are agreeable and likable, some goons happen to be the most intelligent people i've ever met. Mittens being one of them. So come on guy's, any random question you have a goon feel free to ask.. such as does mittens like a pipe or a cigarette? How does he like his eggs?...
Jack Freedumb wrote:okay look, I'm not up on EVEpolitik, I can only go by what i've seen on the net.
Most people are in that boat, i'm hoping i can give people a better view of goonwaffeswarmplatoonhoarde by answering some questions while promoting the news site.
Quote:Mittani of Goonswarm who's chief modus operandi is to spread mis-information about others, in order to spread dissension among other corps/alliances.
That's not strictly true, Mittens Modus Operandi is not misinformation anymore, it was once upon a time when he set up GIA (Goon Intelligence Agency) and started to use it but GIA is in fact run by someone else now, Mittens passed that on when he stepped up to the plate to take over running the Corp after the whole Kartoon thing and the bills not getting paid in Delve. His main goal now is to keep the great unwashed masses of goons happy, content and most importantly of all to keep us entertained so we don't implode. After all, all we're here for is to have fun the same as anyone else. Anyone who's been to Something Awful will know that's its a comedy site and that's what we're all about at the end of the day.
Quote:Goonswarm who are notorious for creating alts to join and subvert other alliance/corps, the same people who have used this spy network to create data bases on players, gleaned from their spies ability to give access to corporation/alliance websites, and then illegally copy Private Information to the Goons database?
Now, this is a very, very common Pubbie myth. Goon's do obviously have Alts the same as anyone else but quite a lot of the Alts tend to be in Goon Alt Corps for various reasons, or the odd Neutral scout/Market trader but the whole thing that tends to get posted on the EVE-O forums (And i've noticed it start to spread to here too) That anything that's posted about goonwaffe, be it positive or negative is posted by a Goon alt is simply not true. A very, very, very large number of us stay well away from the EVE-O forums due to it being a cesspit of idiots and retards who are unable to string a sentence together let alone hold a sensible discussion.
We don't subvert whole alliances on a Corp scale, we have individual goons who scam for profit, and use it as a profession in EVE and GIA will tend to have several operatives in major alliances for intel reasons but typically we don't take down whole alliances from the inside, what happened with BoB was a one off and the whole story is actually a very interesting read. If you want more information on the specifics feel free to ask.
Theres no such things as a goon Database or us copying information on players, that would just be silly and us taking the game far, far too seriously. We have a lot of specialists in corp who use to do counter intel for a living and we do have a major advantage on a lot of other corps based just on the fact that we have some people in corp who have done this stuff professionally. It's really that simple.
Quote:Mittani being that douche that called out someones name at a player forum, in order to encourage their real life suicide, yes? Yes he did, he was drunk and suggested that someone go kill themselves, it wasn't meant literally though and anyone from our culture knows it was meant in an ironic, funny way but at least when mittens was sober he was man enough to admit to it, apologize to the player in question and give him enough Isk so that he never has to mine or pay for Eve ever again. Unfortunately some people do some stupid stuff when they are drunk, i'm sure we are all guilty of it at some point in our lives, i know i am!
Quote:The Goonswarm who kicked up a month long fuss about Mittani's subsiquent (only a ) month long ban for online bullying, by destroying every player cargo ship that tried to enter EVE's biggest trade hub... for a month Not really, we just happend to use Mittens ban more as an excuse to cause trouble as it's what we do best. Mittens hardly logs into EVE anyway and tends to run the corp from Skype, Jabber, Mumble and the forums etc etc so it really wasn't a big deal. Just quite litterally an excuse for us to Burn Jita even though we'd been planning it for quite some time prior to mittens getting banned. It didn't last a month either, it was only a weekend.
At the end of the day thats the great thing about EVE, you can do anything, anywhere with enough resources and planning, even the most safe places in the game can be taken over and everything can be destroyed. A lot of people had fun at that event though and it was well advertised so that people could take part in it.
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Obligatory Goon
Doomheim
10
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Posted - 2012.08.26 10:01:00 -
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Quote:Sorry if i have gotten all this wrong, but well... Mittani himself admits to all this. Of cause he does, speculation and people talking about us only makes our reputation worse and the worse our reputation the more fun we get in game when people try to take down the big bad goonies.
Quote:imho = please tell me i got all this wrong ... i mean goons sounds kinda cool if you're into that sort of thing ... Ugh Well i've corrected what i can and i'm sure it's created more questions than it's answered.
Goons are very fun to play with, i've been a goon for over 4 years now and i've only played eve for a little while. I do play other games with Goons though and i can honestly say i wouldn't ever go back to playing an online game with anyone other than goons. It's just not the same and nowhere near as fun.
Quote:So when you advertise a website that is supposed to be a news site.... all i can think is themittani.com=FOX NEWS It's very interesting you make that comparison, if you read the OP you'll see that's exactly what we're trying to avoid due to other sites doing that very thing. If you look at the above posts and check out the website you'll see we have people from all walks of EVE posting news for us, including hisec carebeards, -A- FC's even after battles with Goonwaffe.. It's really an attempt at being the best news site for New Eden.
Ask yourself this though, would have checked the site out right away and not made your post if it was named something different? Are you only reacting that way because of the sites name and it's affiliation with Goons? We could have done it and made it very hard for people to make the link but we didnt.
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Forte Haulerson
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:00:00 -
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Guy with really long post... wrote:
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...Unfortunately some people do some stupid stuff when they are drunk, i'm sure we are all guilty of it at some point in our lives, i know i am!...
I know what you mean!.. That fat chick won't stop calling me either well after the deed... :)
What about the in game EVE News Corp? Would it make sense to elevate their role covering EVE politics in include DUST events? More like an AP/UPI/Reuters rather than a FOX news like mentioned before.. (I really loved that comment btw.. how funny.. :)
L8r,
FH
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.26 13:27:00 -
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I've no idea, you'd have to ask EVE News 24, personally, i know our site will be covering dust as there's quite a lot of us who play dust already and we're banking on it being a big part of the alliance and the war effort in the future. |
DH STARBURNER420
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:38:00 -
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"Theres no such things as a goon Database or us copying information on players, that would just be silly and us taking the game far, far too seriously. We have a lot of specialists in corp who use to do counter intel for a living and we do have a major advantage on a lot of other corps based just on the fact that we have some people in corp who have done this stuff professionally. It's really that simple." Obligatory Goon
Not entirely true there :p , you require anyone signing up to your forums to add a lifetime allowed viewing of thier assets.. which is a request many other alliances and corporations do not require, where does this info go? |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.26 19:57:00 -
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So where do I vote for fidel? |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:45:00 -
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DH STARBURNER420 wrote:"Theres no such things as a goon Database or us copying information on players, that would just be silly and us taking the game far, far too seriously. We have a lot of specialists in corp who use to do counter intel for a living and we do have a major advantage on a lot of other corps based just on the fact that we have some people in corp who have done this stuff professionally. It's really that simple." Obligatory Goon
Not entirely true there :p , you require anyone signing up to your forums to add a lifetime allowed viewing of thier assets.. which is a request many other alliances and corporations do not require, where does this info go?
Depends on how you look at it, we require a full API but that's pretty normal for all large corps now, it's more of a security thing.
We still have access to that information but it's freely given. What was suggested is that we data mine and store information on people against their wills and against the law, which is totally not the case.
The information is only able to be accessed by a very, very small group of people anyway and even then it's with the EVE API tools so it's all legit. |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:36:00 -
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Would any EVE players be interested in doing some Dust write ups?...
You'll get Isk/Ships/Plex's etc as a reward depending on quality/quantity. |
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GM Nythanos
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:52:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Would any EVE players be interested in doing some Dust write ups?...
You'll get Isk/Ships/Plex's etc as a reward depending on quality/quantity.
Friendly reminder that the NDA is still in effect. |
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:33:00 -
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Aye, i actually sent an email to support for details on what can and can not be covered 2 days ago and i've had no reply, could you look into that for me please? I think i've been forgotten about. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:39:00 -
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what is a "goon swarm" and why does it want to attack Cuba? |
Lau Hunter
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:43:00 -
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I feel like I just walked into the wrong party. I thought I was going to a BYOB BBQ, opened the door, and everyone is dressed in S&M. But... now I'm interested... 
Sincerely,
n00b Duster |
Nullsec Miner
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:45:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:what is a "goon swarm" and why does it want to attack Cuba?
Biggest, Richest and most nast Corp in EVE. |
Surtur Reaperson
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:22:00 -
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Nullsec Miner wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:what is a "goon swarm" and why does it want to attack Cuba? Biggest, Richest and most nast Corp in EVE.
But but I like Cuba... |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.08.29 21:57:00 -
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With the announcement that Dust will make it's debut on Singularity with factional warfare it maybe in peoples interest to keep up to date with what's currently going on in FW.
There's a new piece on our site covering the recent rallying of Amarr against the Minmitar war machine and how they are starting to rally and force their enemys back now that their backs are against the wall and only have a single system left.
http://themittani.com/news/amarr-empire-holds-line |
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