DUST Search - I know hit detection has problems, but found out something...

Ragna Soul wrote:

Its odd what ive getting with this hit detection problem. Shocked

As everyone knows, there is a major bug with the hit detection. This bug has cost us many clones and equipment. But theres something interesting i found with this bug. I just got out of a game with a 17/4 KDR using my charge sniper rifle. Not impressive but thats not the point. During the game i was putting everyone down and suddenly BAM! hit detection dies on me shot two moving targets no damage but you can see the shields flare up like if they've been shot. Then i shot three standing targets and still no damage!? Its odd but i think this bug isnt just people moving too fast or just a random bug that causes the bullet not to damage your enemy but it just turns off? and it seemed to turn off as soon as im doing really well! After i spent 10 rounds with no damage with any of the shots; waited a couple of seconds and took another shot finally taking someone out.

Anybody else's hit detection just suddenly not registering anymore when they are doing good?

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Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.08.25 05:23:00 - [1] - Quote Its odd what ive getting with this hit detection problem. As everyone knows, there is a major bug with the hit detection. This bug has cost us many clones and equipment. But theres something interesting i found with this bug. I just got out of a game with a 17/4 KDR using my charge sniper rifle. Not impressive but thats not the point. During the game i was putting everyone down and suddenly BAM! hit detection dies on me shot two moving targets no damage but you can see the shields flare up like if they've been shot. Then i shot three standing targets and still no damage!? Its odd but i think this bug isnt just people moving too fast or just a random bug that causes the bullet not to damage your enemy but it just turns off? and it seemed to turn off as soon as im doing really well! After i spent 10 rounds with no damage with any of the shots; waited a couple of seconds and took another shot finally taking someone out. Anybody else's hit detection just suddenly not registering anymore when they are doing good?
OwnD07 BetaMax. 6	Posted - 2012.08.25 05:29:00 - [2] - Quote I can't say I've noticed that, sorry.
Lieutenant Kein 5	Posted - 2012.08.25 05:38:00 - [3] - Quote I had something like that happen to me not too long ago. I was sneaking around and came up behind a sniper. He didn't see me, so I unloaded into him. i was through a full clip and he took no damage, but I saw the shields light up like he as hit.
TheReaper545 21	Posted - 2012.08.25 05:50:00 - [4] - Quote I can vouch for this before the hot-fix i was able to get plenty of hits on people, After the hot-fix i'm lucky to get a hit with my shotgun at close range :/.
Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.08.25 06:10:00 - [5] - Quote i hope they fix this quick because new players to the game will hate this and lose interest in the game and we really dont need this to be a dead game before its even released.
Kyzar Sosai 8	Posted - 2012.08.25 06:33:00 - [6] - Quote What usually happens to me is that hot detection will register beautifully on target, then it'll just stop registering altogether in an instant! It gets frustrating when it does happen. Yet it doesn't happen all that often anymore
Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.08.25 06:46:00 - [7] - Quote Kyzar Sosai wrote: What usually happens to me is that hot detection will register beautifully on target, then it'll just stop registering altogether in an instant! It gets frustrating when it does happen. Yet it doesn't happen all that often anymore gets frustrating when u have 7 kills that dont count because the hit detection just decides "ok youve done well enough, now lets just stop u from killing the rest of these guys."
Jeb Tukka Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:10:00 - [8] - Quote Yep, sometimes i manage to sneak behind enemy soldier and i shoot him with my sniper rifle about 2 meters away and nothing happens and then i usually die :D
Song Soulfire Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 44	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:17:00 - [9] - Quote perhaps if this is the case the hit chance algorithm should be set to a shorter recycle time.....
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:20:00 - [10] - Quote Jeb Tukka wrote: Yep, sometimes i manage to sneak behind enemy soldier and i shoot him with my sniper rifle about 2 meters away and nothing happens and then i usually die :D Scrub using sniper rifle at close range. GO. BACK. TO COD!!!

Jeb Tukka Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:25:00 - [11] - Quote u mad?
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:27:00 - [12] - Quote Jeb Tukka wrote: u mad? U mad you died
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.08.25 09:00:00 - [13] - Quote Ragna Soul wrote: Its odd what ive getting with this hit detection problem. As everyone knows, there is a major bug with the hit detection. This bug has cost us many clones and equipment. But theres something interesting i found with this bug. I just got out of a game with a 17/4 KDR using my charge sniper rifle. Not impressive but thats not the point. During the game i was putting everyone down and suddenly BAM! hit detection dies on me shot two moving targets no damage but you can see the shields flare up like if they've been shot. Then i shot three standing targets and still no damage!? Its odd but i think this bug isnt just people moving too fast or just a random bug that causes the bullet not to damage your enemy but it just turns off? and it seemed to turn off as soon as im doing really well! After i spent 10 rounds with no damage with any of the shots; waited a couple of seconds and took another shot finally taking someone out. Anybody else's hit detection just suddenly not registering anymore when they are doing good? YEP! I can be at ten kills and no deaths and then ZIP! everything I shoot at gets NO DAMAGE.
V Shadow DUST University Ivy League 34	Posted - 2012.08.25 11:44:00 - [14] - Quote had the same empted 2 clips in to someone once with no damage, which I find very hard to believe. I also found this happens mostly when using the sights of the weapons.
Qn1f3 Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 18	Posted - 2012.08.25 11:51:00 - [15] - Quote Maybe it's an secret EWAR module? ;P I've noticed this with knife attacks from behind on snipers, 3 verified hits(shield reaction) but no damage what so ever. The same thing happened with me trying to gut a turret operator, no damage 3 slices and full mag of shotgun(8 shots), where only the last on registered. I think I've seen it when sniping also, but can't verify or not. Because it might've been me missing and someone else shooting at the target.
oneshytalk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 71	Posted - 2012.08.25 11:59:00 - [16] - Quote Jeb Tukka wrote: u mad? What you need to know is STB are easy mode players from MAG and I used a lvl 1 sniper rifle as an assualt rifle on that game and they hated it because I could out gun their beloved Tamsen. lol... I expect most STB to be in tanks on DUST.
RankRancid Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 51	Posted - 2012.08.25 15:51:00 - [17] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Jeb Tukka wrote: Yep, sometimes i manage to sneak behind enemy soldier and i shoot him with my sniper rifle about 2 meters away and nothing happens and then i usually die :D Scrub using sniper rifle at close range. GO. BACK. TO COD!!! NO SCOPING for the win baby!! Next time try to find a ledge and 360 off the ledge for a beautiful 360 no scope. Upload to you tube. 3 days later...famous. Quickly Vermaak,if he had pulled out his smg would people not have accused him of exploiting the 'op scout suit' ? I know when I run sniper I take all secondary weapons off just for that reason. Also no scoping in this game is nothing like no scoping with steady aim in cod. Why we talking about the biggest FPS in history again? I believe there are more people playing infected than all the people playing eve and dust combined. In infected LOL!! Anyway keep the rift growing between all players. I really love the hate.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.08.25 16:05:00 - [18] - Quote Ha, every time I am working on a positive KDR the game will freeze. It is like a curse or something. But yes, the OP gives a nice description of sudden drop off in hit detection that seems to happen sometimes. But I don't think there is any cause and effect relationship to how well a player is doing kill wise in a game. Since some players still seem to be able to go 28/ 3...
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.08.25 16:07:00 - [19] - Quote I've noticed this as well when chasing down ppl and it's very hard to miss someone when the barrel of your AR is almost touching them.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.25 16:27:00 - [20] - Quote Ragna Soul wrote: Its odd what ive getting with this hit detection problem. As everyone knows, there is a major bug with the hit detection. This bug has cost us many clones and equipment. But theres something interesting i found with this bug. I just got out of a game with a 17/4 KDR using my charge sniper rifle. Not impressive but thats not the point. During the game i was putting everyone down and suddenly BAM! hit detection dies on me shot two moving targets no damage but you can see the shields flare up like if they've been shot. Then i shot three standing targets and still no damage!? Its odd but i think this bug isnt just people moving too fast or just a random bug that causes the bullet not to damage your enemy but it just turns off? and it seemed to turn off as soon as im doing really well! After i spent 10 rounds with no damage with any of the shots; waited a couple of seconds and took another shot finally taking someone out. Anybody else's hit detection just suddenly not registering anymore when they are doing good? it's like the actual damage is lagging behind the actual hits, imo.. idk kno for sure it's hard to say. i hope they fix this soon, none of my friends from other games will even play this game.. can't really say i blame them, they want to play games with good HD.. not eveyones up for testing i guess, they should have fixed this before all the PS+ invites imo

The Warbot Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 85	Posted - 2012.08.25 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote Weird... I don't have an isue with this. Maybe because I always go close quarters and avoid being sniped.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.25 16:35:00 - [22] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Jeb Tukka wrote: u mad? U mad you died did you set up that squad i recommended to you in my comms post, vermaak? i sent you some real awesome players for you to take command of.. i highly recommend them
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.08.25 17:00:00 - [23] - Quote yes. some games i'm hitting people fine then randomly it seems some people stop taking damage. they will be right in front of me and they wont die. i've ran head on to people up close in their face with trigger held, my screen is nothing but their character and its still not hitting them... it is a problem, hopefully its taken care of before launch. this build it is better... but still flakes out. however, it is hard to say that its just hit detection. some of these people could have bad connections and are just laggy. all day yesterday i would throw out a nanohive and it would slide further than i've seen them and skip the whole way til it stopped. i believe this is lag. its possible the lag is so nasty right now that its affecting hit detection. just my .02
Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.08.25 17:48:00 - [24] - Quote im sure they've notice this but why not fix it already theyve got a 30 min down time every day im sure theyre busy working on the rest of the game but this is a major problem that can kill the game!
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.25 17:55:00 - [25] - Quote Kyzar Sosai wrote: What usually happens to me is that hot detection will register beautifully on target, then it'll just stop registering altogether in an instant! It gets frustrating when it does happen. Yet it doesn't happen all that often anymore I had the same but with other way around 2 hits without an effect and the 3rd and 1st after reloading worked.
Busta Rizard Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.08.25 18:22:00 - [26] - Quote V Shadow wrote: had the same empted 2 clips in to someone once with no damage, which I find very hard to believe. I also found this happens mostly when using the sights of the weapons. Only got 3 kills last night, all by hip fire. all deaths from aiming down sights and random shotguners. Emptied clips into people at close range and nothing, just shrugged them off and killed me like a stack of pancakes. New to the game/concept and I'm liking it already, just wish my shots count.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. 265	Posted - 2012.08.25 18:24:00 - [27] - Quote Yesterday I had a game where I used charge sniper rifle and landed three hits on a target far away. Their shields flared but no damage was registered for the first two shots, on the third time the shot applied damage to them and killed them in one. I have seen this happen several times where the shields flare but no damage is done, doesn't matter if they are still or moving.
Ragna Soul Algintal Core Gallente Federation 90	Posted - 2012.08.25 18:31:00 - [28] - Quote i couldve gotten a 24/4 KDR if it wasnt for that hit detection although i was able to get my squad an orbital strike (squad leader was to ignorant to call it in though -_-)
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.08.25 18:32:00 - [29] - Quote Busta Rizard wrote: V Shadow wrote: had the same empted 2 clips in to someone once with no damage, which I find very hard to believe. I also found this happens mostly when using the sights of the weapons. Only got 3 kills last night, all by hip fire. all deaths from aiming down sights and random shotguners. Emptied clips into people at close range and nothing, just shrugged them off and killed me like a stack of pancakes. New to the game/concept and I'm liking it already, just wish my shots count. Some people will shield and armor tank. Keep an eye on the health bars over your opponent. Some heavy suits with good shields can live through a clip of fire from a militia assault rifle. But if you see the health bar go down at least you know you are hitting. Then again, sometimes not even that will happen. They are working on improving matchmaking so that new players should not be mixed in with advanced players in the high level gear that can take a lot of damage. But it isn't quite there yet.
Lasarte Ioni Noob Gaming 72	Posted - 2012.08.26 03:31:00 - [30] - Quote Aighun wrote: Some people will shield and armor tank. Keep an eye on the health bars over your opponent. Some heavy suits with good shields can live through a clip of fire from a militia assault rifle. But if you see the health bar go down at least you know you are hitting. Then again, sometimes not even that will happen. They are working on improving matchmaking so that new players should not be mixed in with advanced players in the high level gear that can take a lot of damage. But it isn't quite there yet. Erm... heavy suits have smaller shields than a scout i think, if you aren't popin' em after 5 bullets, ur blind or the hit-boxes went to have a lunch break. If you are denting the armor, yep, it may seem like you are not hitting em, but after 20 bullets 1/4 of the armor should be off. I find it the worst at close combat, i go around in a SW/Breach SMG fit, so i can get free WP from those militia LAV drivers and melt ppl at close quarters (everything but shotguns, as it should be) well; sometimes assault suits are killed so fast than my squad mates can't even get the assist. Then sometimes, the hit detection from 2 builds ago kidnaps the actual and i find myself using 2 mags 80 bullets each to kill the mentioned assault. But I'm not only talking about how awesome i am and how the breach SMP is da' boss; sometime i face a shotgun scout, and i say to myself "**, I'M DEAD" then i see trails from his gun through my chest/body, but my shields don't even flinch, and while i kill him (80 bullets are a dread thing to take to the chest) i can't help but feeling bad for the guy, almost as if cheating.... then i get an orbital strike and i ***** forget about him, get to a corner and search for the biggest zerling rush to nuke. Seriously, the day the hit detection is fixed they might find the need to balance all weapons in the game, because atm any of em is working as intended yet they are somehow balanced, so when they work its gonna be crazy; SMG killing w 20 shots, 1OK shotguns, AR will turn to be terribad ( the range the only advantage against SMG) , a HMG capable of killing 10 ppl at the same time if close.... THAT will be a real game.

Grille Tuna Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.08.29 05:54:00 - [31] - Quote as it stands now hit detection is ** and till it is fixed only the hardcore players are going to stick with it. so the hardcore players better start bitching also or they are going to have to buy a ** ton of Aurum to pay for dust514 cause there won't be many people who want to pay to play a first person russian roullete game.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.29 06:19:00 - [32] - Quote The sniper rifle hit but no damage bug is affected by location. It starts doing it move to new perch and hit detection turns back on. The hit detection on other guns seems at least partially a separate bug, scouts moving fast enough you have to lead at close range and lag making appear in wrong spot add to problem as well. CCP are fixing hit detection, but it seems to be causing them trouble. I look forward to the build it is perfect.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.29 07:04:00 - [33] - Quote Also buildings often seem to have hit boxes that go beyond their actual model size which is obviously a sniper specific issue. Also this game like most other UT engine games had problems of being too close where your gun can clip in to enemy model geometry and you pretty much stick your gun "through the hit box" and shoot air behind him. Sometimes hit detection works just fine and some times it doesn't , I've noticed this especially when using weapons such as sub-machine guns that actually are less reliable then a pistol on close ranges because they spurge all their bullets in one go while the scrambler rarely if not never seems to have hit detection issues.


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