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theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:32:00 -
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whenver im fighting guys who are on my armor/gear level or slightly higher i can usually end with at least a 4.0 kdr higher if i give up on trying to be a logibro.
the only time ive had touble fighting other people is when they are geared up on aurum those lower skill reqs are killing me when people are using the higher tier aurum gear.
its not a crazy difference between my gear and theis but its enough to be noticably more challenging then the isk equivalent. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:33:00 -
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nope...
Milita user since precusor. Enjoys destroying aurum gear. |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:39:00 -
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Gotta love Aurum users. Tons of ISK when you kill them.
I feel they have a sligt upper hand, but a lot of them suck. And now that I'm upgrading equipment, they die pretty easy. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:40:00 -
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no |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:21:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Gotta love Aurum users. Tons of ISK when you kill them.
I feel they have a sligt upper hand, but a lot of them suck. And now that I'm upgrading equipment, they die pretty easy.
^ My underlining. I was wondering about this today - does killing an AURUM-fitted opponent really yield more ISK?
I was thinking in terms of fitting AUR gear might be a way to deny the other side big isk payouts, but if Icy Tiger is right then my idea is no good.
Thoughts, experiences, etc.? |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:29:00 -
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Aurum isn't better than other gear. It's mostly to show off (or get a headstart on others). I for one enjoy running around in golden armor, a shining beacon of inspiration (and bullet magnet).
Sure makes things interesting. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:40:00 -
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Well most of the AUR gear is actually better then the normal stuff. Just think of it you can fit a AUR proto assault rifle with the same CPU/PG requirements as a advanced. |
Naustradamus Oracle
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:44:00 -
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I was in the beta before the 20$ pack, haven't used any AUR items at all yet either ... when the game comes out, I think I'll use AUR for boosters only. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:13:00 -
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I have 6500 aurum and nothing worth using it on, I can wait for better gear. The mag bpo suits(any gear above standard should never be bpo, imho. Standard bpo=buy, adv/proto bpo=rage at pay to win, so far nothing has been pay-to-win) and boosters are only thing I find worth it so far.
I bought the merc pack, love the dragonfly and toxin smg, mainly used aur for boosters last build. Spend a lot to try stuff with left over just before new build, bought more to check if mag suits were bpo or ridiculous price bpc few days before reset. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:15:00 -
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The only aurum gear I regularly see on my deathfeed is the Minddrive SMG.
40 damage a bullet. That drops my scout in 5-6 shots, which is nigh instantaneous at the rate it pumps them out. |
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:21:00 -
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AUR gear and equipment holds no advantage. At most it is a vanity item, or may allow a user to have access to tech they are unable to use, but at the cost of real legal tender. Which holds no advantage in my opinion. I've been using the same militia, and standard tech level gear and equipment since day one, and have never had a problem with AUR users.
I'll admit though that the only time I even dared to think of purchasing using AUR was with the MAG dropsuits which were standard tech level dropsuits, but as BPO's (Blueprint Originals). Again a vanity item at best though. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:41:00 -
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The mag bpo did have an advantage of being standard level that don't cost isk, no worse then dragonfly. As long as bpo stay at the militia/standard level the advantage will be small, bpo of adv or proto could be unbalancing by removing risk/reward from tiers. Standard and militia are not far apart, and it raises the floor only a little, still worth using adv when you have unlimited standard maybe even a little more with savings from not buying standard suits. |
minimalmonk-dust
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:52:00 -
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closed beta is for testing why are the nuffies paying money to "look" good? |
Neonara Arn
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:29:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
AUR gear and equipment holds no advantage. At most it is a vanity item, or may allow a user to have access to tech they are unable to use, but at the cost of real legal tender. Which holds no advantage in my opinion. I've been using the same militia, and standard tech level gear and equipment since day one, and have never had a problem with AUR users.
I'll admit though that the only time I even dared to think of purchasing using AUR was with the MAG dropsuits which were standard tech level dropsuits, but as BPO's (Blueprint Originals). Again a vanity item at best though.
Where are these MAG dropsuit bpos of which you speak? Or do they hearken from an earlier stage in the beta?
I would welcome a way to get a standard level bpo, though I definitely agree that anying above that would be quite imbalancing. Tbh, I think all standard level items should be available as bpo for both isk and aurum. Though, with the market and all I guess that will technically end up happening even if the bpos are aurum-only. |
Smokey Killer51
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:35:00 -
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Aurum or hoowever its spelt is no different from regular suits. Using them for an excuse for you sucking.. Well thats on you. I have gotten more kills using my militia gear than I have using the aurum drop suits so stop whinning and get better. |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:37:00 -
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I remember buying stuff once but froze and unplugged my playstation |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:49:00 -
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LoL at anyone saying AUR items aren't blatantly better. You stupid? Less CPU/PG = more tank/gear... Or simply better effect like Thukker nades were (not got nades lvl5 yet).
They are annoying, but CCP have to make money. They're just an advantage. I die more to AUR rifles/HMG than usual stuff in 1vs1.
I wouldn't say they're trouble though. |
Stile451
Red Star.
76
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:01:00 -
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minimalmonk-dust wrote:closed beta is for testing why are the nuffies paying money to "look" good?
Because you get everything back whenever there is a wipe(at least as far as the beta goes). |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens
83
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:05:00 -
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Only non-militia thing I use is my Charge sniper rifle (bet there are MANY out there who recognize my name next to it on their death load-out) and I eat Aurum users for breakfast lunch and dinner. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens
83
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:07:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:LoL at anyone saying AUR items aren't blatantly better. You stupid? Less CPU/PG = more tank/gear... Or simply better effect like Thukker nades were (not got nades lvl5 yet).
They are annoying, but CCP have to make money. They're just an advantage. I die more to AUR rifles/HMG than usual stuff in 1vs1.
I wouldn't say they're trouble though.
One headshot across the map from my Charge sniper and they die like anyone else |
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EMPTY SL0T
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:36:00 -
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Etero Narciss wrote:Aurum isn't better than other gear. It's mostly to show off (or get a headstart on others). I for one enjoy running around in golden armor, a shining beacon of inspiration (and bullet magnet).
Sure makes things interesting.
Is THAT what the gold suits are? Aurum purchased protos?
Thx!
M.T. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.08.23 06:38:00 -
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aur dropsuits are reskins with no benefit, gold one can be any level not just proto.
Other items allow easier fitting or lower skill levels, both can be done by grinding sp for most part. All aur proto and max fitting skills could cram more on suit, not much gain and makes a expensive fit.
The mag bpo were reskins of standard drop suits in this build before the skill reset, valor scout/raven assault/sever logi.
The small advantage of max skills combined with aur gear will avoid being pay-to-win by being a small advantage and aurum items being resold to make isk. That is how to buy isk with aurum, buy something you think you can sell easy. keeping a player market stable and working is one of CCP strengths, in this area dust and eve will function very much thee same.(they'll have to since this will be one of the points the games connect at) |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:13:00 -
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Why are people even complaining about AUR items though? Especially at the moment where they are nothing, but balanced. Granted the AUR market weapons have lower CPU (Central Processing Unit) and PG (Power Grid) consumption, but at the same time you have skills that will "naturally" decrease those factors anyway, and also increase the dropsuits own CPU and PG output as well. So again really what advantage are we talking about? Shaving off time needed to achieve the proper skill? Oh wow! No, not really that was sarcasm folks. Seriously paying legal recognized tender is up to you, but you have to realize that you really are not holding an advantage. Especially at the cost of legal tender. Also on the notes of CPU and PG consumption the passive stats that would lower the CPU and PG in question will decrease the AUR items in question less the standard ISK purchasable and depletable items simply because, they have less to shave off. The lower the base the less to shave off. So essentially with passive skilling they balance out anyway. Making the whole CPU and PG argument completly and utter moot.
Beyond the three MAG dropsuits which happened to be BPO (Blueprint Originals) the AUR items offer no advantage, and even then the standard tech levels, and militia levels are not too far apart to make complaints even viable. In the end as I have said AUR items are nothing short of vanity items. So long as CCP continues to hold, and regulate the AUR items and balance them, and BPO's to a bare minimum as I have stated a dozen times and explained thoroughly on why that is essential to Dust514's survival and stability; the items in question are balanced.
If you find yourself complaining about them at the moment.. Well it sounds like a "you" problem. Maybe your name is, Yamcha or even, Raditz. In which case. You have larger problems. 
No, but seriously at the moment CCP has done a good job on the AUR items... Well the only AUR purchasable in question is the UVT (Universal Transmitter) which needs to be a looked at in terms of how it should be taken. I suggested my thoughts, and concerns though. Anyway if you are willing to spend legal tender on AUR and AUR items -- be my guest. Personally the only items notable of worthy purchase are the MAG dropsuits and they like our rewards are MIA (Missing in Action).
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:19:00 -
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Aurum is trying to pull a twenty out of my wallet, the pull is to damn strong! |
Antonius Dacinci
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:20:00 -
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Because the skills are broken and half of them actually don't work and as such you can only buy certain stuff to solve certain fitting issues? |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
67
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:43:00 -
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As some one who uses aurum a lot i can tell u it is pay to win there can be no argument there the moduals not only let u use stuff sooner but thay all have markedly lower fittings alowing fits that u could never have whithout aurum .
If u think aurum items dont give u a big advantage then i am sorry but u are dead wrong.
Shure u can train the skills to reduce cpu usage and all that other good stuff but so can i .. then i still have the advantage more so infact as i am most likly gaining skill points faster due to XP implant .
There are even things that u can only buy for aurum which give a massive advantage (looking at u thukker grenades )
When this game finaly comes out and reches the high level 0.0 battles u are going to need to use aurum if u want to have the best fits possible. If u want the advanage u are going to have to pay for it .
Even when (if) we can buy aurum gear from the market for isk from other players there will still be an advantage to someone.
Its ether the guy using it or the guy who now has a load of isk that he did not work for which in its self is a advantage over other isk users .
I would rather pay a subscription but thay seem to have gone out of favor whith game deveolpers now so i can not blame ccp for going whth the p2w i mean f2p style and i think i will spend roughly the same as i woud on eve a month when the game comes out .
At the end of the day nothing in this world is ever free somewhere someone has to pay for it .So to all those complaning about aurum who do u think is paying for U to play for free .
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dust badger
BetaMax.
283
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:55:00 -
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I think Aurum gives you a boost, but by no means is it a be all and end all of it, any skilled gamer with kill an average aurum player hands down, I am using Aurum Suits as they are the same as the basic suits just saves some isk for when I can use advanced/proto suits as they wont be cheap. |
BlacMage
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.08.23 09:32:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:LoL at anyone saying AUR items aren't blatantly better. You stupid? Less CPU/PG = more tank/gear... Or simply better effect like Thukker nades were (not got nades lvl5 yet).
They are annoying, but CCP have to make money. They're just an advantage. I die more to AUR rifles/HMG than usual stuff in 1vs1.
I wouldn't say they're trouble though.
You do not have to guess; you can look at the AURUM gear and press triangle to check its states. For weapons, performance id basicaly the same, but skill requirements is less and CPU/PG use it actually higher. This is the "Side Grading" CCP kept talking about where you can buy AURUM gear and use it at lower skill levels than the ISK ones, but CPU/PG is rough and it is costing you real money. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.23 10:33:00 -
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For the most part, AUR gear is a tear higher than its requirements.
You don't need the skills to use the regular gear with the same stats, but that ALSO means you only get the base stats of the upgraded weapon, NOT the bonuses from skills that further improve your weapon.
I can kill decent AUR fits on a 1:1 basis using Militia gear and the Dragonfly. |
Eddie Boirelle
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.08.23 10:44:00 -
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I would love to know how many of the people saying people who use Aurum items are idiots have jobs? I work, so I don't have so much time to play games. I will use Aurum to compensate for the fact that I can't play Dust 24/7.
Maybe some poeple can play 6+ hours a day to get the isk and sp they need for all the best gear, I can work for 15mins to get enough money to pay for all the aurum I need for a week or more. I will have fits that use aurum parts on some with isk parts, I will use isk when I can and aurum when I run out.
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