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Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.08.22 20:53:00 - [1] - Quote well, last build it was mostly marauders that were OP. now it's any tank ever. nobody can afford to attack a tank. running around witha forge gun or swarm launcher is guaranteed death, and you can't afford to ride a dropship to a building top in order to hit them at long ranges. so now even the militia HAVs are basically invincible case in point, Mr Zitro last game had a few heavy - shock guys try to take him out, since that's all they could afford. They usually got about two shots off before being obliterated by a passerby with a shotgun. he got low once, 20% armor, but just scooted off to rep and had no problems from then on, my team just gave up trying to kill him (and for good reason) even with their higher price tag, he probably made off with more than enough isk to pay for another HAV or two just from ONE game
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 20:56:00 - [2] - Quote Invest sp into av skills. Nuff SaidGäó
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.22 20:56:00 - [3] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=266211#post266211 HAVs were destroyed in this patch. All you need is AV grenades and a Nanohive and any HAV is a smoking wreck.
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.08.22 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=266211#post266211 HAVs were destroyed in this patch. All you need is AV grenades and a Nanohive and any HAV is a smoking wreck. well, while we're exchanging anecdotal evidence i have not seen one HAV destroyed since the reset
Arbor Viridanus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 196	Posted - 2012.08.22 20:59:00 - [5] - Quote Not to mention the fact that it costs over a million ISK to field a tank with decent equipment. I think they're just fine as overpowered, rarely seen death machines.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.22 20:59:00 - [6] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=266211#post266211 HAVs were destroyed in this patch. All you need is AV grenades and a Nanohive and any HAV is a smoking wreck. well, while we're exchanging anecdotal evidence i have not seen one HAV destroyed since the reset I haven't seen one used since the reset. Well, actually, I've seen a single one. It died to exactly the tactic I mentioned.
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:00:00 - [7] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Invest sp into av skills. Nuff SaidGäó and do what? spend 40k isk on a good swarm launcher, only to lose three or four of those fits just trying to get in range of the HAV, only for it to drive out of line of sight after the first salvo?
Sees-Too-Much 332	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:03:00 - [8] - Quote I've seen and fielded a couple HAVs. I've killed a couple with militia swarm launchers, one of which I did basically solo. If I ever bothered to train grenadier I'm confident I could take them out more. If there was ever anyone on voice that I could team up with (a team of two heavies and two assaults, for example) we could make short work of any HAV we found.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:04:00 - [9] - Quote So you want to 1v1 a tank? Not gonna happen..
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:06:00 - [10] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: So you want to 1v1 a tank? Not gonna happen.. Exactly. Its a tank. Tanks to not get taken down in a 1v1 in reality, and I know that this is a game, but being able to one-shot a tank with a single infantry weapon is BAD GAMEPLAY. Accept it and move on.

STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:07:00 - [11] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Invest sp into av skills. Nuff SaidGäó and do what? spend 40k isk on a good swarm launcher, only to lose three or four of those fits just trying to get in range of the HAV, only for it to drive out of line of sight after the first salvo? Try sneaking up on a tank with a buddy or two with swarm launchers and open fire. Duh Einstein. If you expected to 1v1 a tank your mistaken. Ps was the tank that merked you a blaster tank?
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:11:00 - [12] - Quote This is only an issue for ambush. I would have smoked one of Zitro's tanks the other day (he's probably got better fit ones by now though) with militia swarm launcher suicide runs, but the game started spawning me across the map from him and he made it to the end of the match with something like 25% armor. It would have been a different story if I could have picked my spawns. Anyways, you can't complain about something being OP when you're getting killed by one of the game's top players in it. (Not only does he have tons of SP by now, but he's a sneaky SOB, too. He got out of that tank I was trying to kill at one point and hid in some nearby rocks to get me with his Minddrive SMG while I was focused on shooting the tank.)
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:12:00 - [13] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=266211#post266211 HAVs were destroyed in this patch. All you need is AV grenades and a Nanohive and any HAV is a smoking wreck. well, while we're exchanging anecdotal evidence i have not seen one HAV destroyed since the reset we take down tanks regularly in my squad, see them every couple of games, only once has a tank gotten the better of us due to us using militia and the tank being pretty powerful. Not trying to brag, just saying it is easier than you make it out to be. (full disclosure we consistently have three players in our squad)
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:17:00 - [14] - Quote Tanks are jokes, they cost 6-8 times more than AV fire, and they are definitely not OP. If someone has a kiackass fit, all the more power to them.
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:17:00 - [15] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Try sneaking up on a tank with a buddy or two with swarm launchers and open fire. Duh Einstein. If you expected to 1v1 a tank your mistaken. Ps was the tank that merked you a blaster tank? oh sure, let me just call in some assistance using voice co- OH RIGHT! voice comms are inconsistent as **** so nobody uses them, well there goes that plan, whops! in the final game it probably won't be so bad, but wasn't that fancy-schmancy content streaming system supposed to allow subtle changes to things on the fly, instead of having to suffer through bullshit for months on end waiting for a new build?
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:20:00 - [16] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Try sneaking up on a tank with a buddy or two with swarm launchers and open fire. Duh Einstein. If you expected to 1v1 a tank your mistaken. Ps was the tank that merked you a blaster tank? oh sure, let me just call in some assistance using voice co- OH RIGHT! voice comms are inconsistent as **** so nobody uses them, well there goes that plan, whops! in the final game it probably won't be so bad, but wasn't that fancy-schmancy content streaming system supposed to allow subtle changes to things on the fly, instead of having to suffer through bullshit for months on end waiting for a new build? Try setting up a squad with at least two av guys before the match starts
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:24:00 - [17] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Try setting up a squad with at least two av guys before the match starts well, the whole "comms don't work worth a ****" problem can put a damper on that, unfortunately.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:26:00 - [18] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Try setting up a squad with at least two av guys before the match starts well, the whole "comms don't work worth a ****" problem can put a damper on that, unfortunately. Invite people to a group in local chat
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:32:00 - [19] - Quote I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any fleeing tank occupants.)
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:33:00 - [20] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame

Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:36:00 - [21] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame Yes and sure.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:38:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=266211#post266211 HAVs were destroyed in this patch. All you need is AV grenades and a Nanohive and any HAV is a smoking wreck. Lol this is very accurate, Vehicles in general are isk/sp vending machines.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:38:00 - [23] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame Yes and sure. Lets squad up now if you can. I already have a person in my squad so I'll invite you
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:41:00 - [24] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32548&find=unread Dont spam.
Needless Sacermendor 98	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:48:00 - [25] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Try sneaking up on a tank with a buddy or two with swarm launchers and open fire. Duh Einstein. If you expected to 1v1 a tank your mistaken. Ps was the tank that merked you a blaster tank? oh sure, let me just call in some assistance using voice co- OH RIGHT! voice comms are inconsistent as **** so nobody uses them, well there goes that plan, whops! in the final game it probably won't be so bad, but wasn't that fancy-schmancy content streaming system supposed to allow subtle changes to things on the fly, instead of having to suffer through bullshit for months on end waiting for a new build? Got as far as this post and stopped reading ... You've basically asked a rhetorical question but the answer is this ... have you tried the swarm launcher since today's "EXTENDED" downtime ???
Sees-Too-Much 332	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:48:00 - [26] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame Yes and sure. If your AV squad nees a semi-skilled logi let me know. I'd love to finally put this headset to use.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:49:00 - [27] - Quote Sees-Too-Much wrote: Knarf Black wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame Yes and sure. If your AV squad nees a semi-skilled logi let me know. I'd love to finally put this headset to use. Sorry but I'm the squad logi
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.08.22 21:57:00 - [28] - Quote Its not one vs a tank we want! We want more than a couple of shots before we are dead we have several second delays on a forge and we can't really run away so our shots should count! A tank has u limited ammo and can out run us at anytime. They can also regenerate internally and go to supply depots to recharge. Now my suit can't recharge I run like a fast walk. So its funny your only argument is that it costs a lot.
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.22 22:07:00 - [29] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Its not one vs a tank we want! We want more than a couple of shots before we are dead we have several second delays on a forge and we can't really run away so our shots should count! A tank has u limited ammo and can out run us at anytime. They can also regenerate internally and go to supply depots to recharge. Now my suit can't recharge I run like a fast walk. So its funny your only argument is that it costs a lot. That's a valid argument. It takes about 6-8 games to get a tank worth using, which has been nerfed to hell, the Railguns now shoot canister shells, the driving is inconsistent as ****, goddamn bullets and SMG's can hurt us, and you want another nerf. Your HMG isn't supposed to be able to dent a GODDAMN TANK! Your suit recharges too, you have tons of ammo if you use a supply depot, swarms have auto aim, the best Forge gun does 3000 damage, which is enough to kill any tier 1-2 tank in 3 hits. Anything else? And one more thing. You can use up to 30 decent suits for the same price as my goddamn Madrugar. I'd say it's pretty damn fair. This isn't directed at you also, just in general to tank haters.
AkashaBlooddriver Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.08.22 23:27:00 - [30] - Quote hell i think tanks need a buff i want to see more of them on the field

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.08.22 23:47:00 - [31] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame Ok! In case I was unclear. I hate HAVs!
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.22 23:52:00 - [32] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I'm up for an AV squad. We could load up a cheap LAV with a Swarm guy, Forge guy, and an Assault guy with AV 'nades, kamakazi the target tank, then bail and unload on it. (The assault guy can mop up any tank fleeing tank occupants.) Got a headset? If so message me ingame Ok! In case I was unclear. I hate HAVs! Play a game without vehicles then
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.08.22 23:53:00 - [33] - Quote depends on the fit to be honest. But most of the times a couple AV grenades are enough to take down tanks. I soloed quite a good amount of tanks this build. usually the tank driver runs away when he gets damaged by any kind of AV weapon. You need to ambush those guys. Get a militia LAV, 3 guys with AV grenades drive close to the tank full speed, every 1 jumps out and the LAV should crash into the HAV to distract the tank. Then just spam 9 AV grenades at the tank (3 guys in a LAV=9 AV grenades). No tank on earth will survive that attack. for this tactic i recommend this setup: Heavy militia dropsuit with AV grenades, Militia assault rifle and maybe a militia armor extender. Militia LAV fully loaded with (you might guess) more militia stuff. Overall the only thing that will cost you ISK are the AV grenades
Aden Thershrike Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.08.23 20:05:00 - [34] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: So you want to 1v1 a tank? Not gonna happen.. Exactly. Its a tank. Tanks to not get taken down in a 1v1 in reality, and I know that this is a game, but being able to one-shot a tank with a single infantry weapon is BAD GAMEPLAY. Accept it and move on. Sure they do. Youtube Javelin Missile System.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.23 20:08:00 - [35] - Quote Aden Thershrike wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: So you want to 1v1 a tank? Not gonna happen.. Exactly. Its a tank. Tanks to not get taken down in a 1v1 in reality, and I know that this is a game, but being able to one-shot a tank with a single infantry weapon is BAD GAMEPLAY. Accept it and move on. Sure they do. Youtube Javelin Missile System. An anti missle system which is basically an oversized shotgun could destroy a javelin like nothing
Bob Deorum G I A N T 14	Posted - 2012.08.23 20:23:00 - [36] - Quote wow i completely disagree, i have 3 av grenades, not even av weapons just grenades, and i killed 2 milita tanks one right after the other with just grenades. If you get two people or just one person with av grenades and a nano hive you can kill any tank in hte game, and you can keep your main weapon and guess what av grenades only cost like 3k isk hahahaha Tanks are way underpower atm.


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