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theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:20:00 -
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in the previous builds the trade-off for the breach rifles were the great reduction in rof and ammo capacity but you would get increased damage for sacrificing those aspects. the people who were comm\plaining about the effectiveness the breach guns were used with were mostly the players who used the scout dropsuits and should have already known that guns could put holes in their armor.
i was happy with my breach guns and when i started playing it on here found that they are almost useless now the range is shoddy it barely hits people over 20 meters away and its damage is now laughable considering that you hold about 25% less ammo per clip as opposed to the regular AR which also has a significantly higher RoF but minimally less damage. the breach has become a slower shooting AR that has to be reloaded more frequently.
so please give us back the useful breach AR's. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:44:00 -
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From the couple of 1 vs. 1 fights I've had with Breach ARs, they seem well-balanced now, but I haven't personally tested one in the new build, or been sure of a situation where I've been up against one in any situation that wasn't 1 vs. 1, so that might alter the equation.
If so, they could use a small buff, but NOT back to how they were. In the last build, they were blatantly one of the most effective weapons at almost every range. This time around, you need to be at least a little more careful to do well with them. It's possible (as I said, I haven't tried myself yet) that they're harder to use than they should be, but they're closer to balanced than they were. |
Terror Knightsbane
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:18:00 -
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They killed the Breach AR, simple, give it a nice burial! |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:31:00 -
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It had the same capacity as the rest so know I (and possibly others) doubt how much of what you say is true |
Alaxen Dre
Ex Morte Vita
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:36:00 -
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The Breach AR has been brought into line with the other pointless, more expensive, AR variants.  |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:33:00 -
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You can buy a standard version of the breach for like 2k isk. I skilled up to the prototype just before the wipe and I felt like God himself running around with the Creodron. It did need a nerf and I think it's still well powerful and I am using the standard version.
Maybe a little buff back the other way, but any more than that and it would turn into the king of the battlefied again. |
Sieve Risalo
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:00:00 -
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Boss Dirge wrote:You can buy a standard version of the breach for like 2k isk. I skilled up to the prototype just before the wipe and I felt like God himself running around with the Creodron. It did need a nerf and I think it's still well powerful and I am using the standard version.
Maybe a little buff back the other way, but any more than that and it would turn into the king of the battlefied again.
The CreoDron was special, since its low recoil and rof gave it near-perfect accuracy.
Damn I miss that thing |
Naustradamus Oracle
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:10:00 -
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I do think they should buff Breach again if not bring it back to what it was
It felt really over powered last patch because hitbox was so bad ... now that it's a lot better, standard AR actually hit when your aiming at someone, where in the past they used to only hit once every 2-4 rounds
So now though the Breach still does more damage technically, I regret getting it since the dmg/sec isn't as high ... maybe that's the point of the stats, I just thought all AR where the same in the end, just breach is best mid to long range, normal AR was better for close range (not better then, but comparable to the SMG) and single shot where for long to mid range in that order.
Just another thing to adapt to I guess =/ |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:32:00 -
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Naustradamus Oracle wrote:I do think they should buff Breach again if not bring it back to what it was
It felt really over powered last patch because hitbox was so bad ... now that it's a lot better, standard AR actually hit when your aiming at someone, where in the past they used to only hit once every 2-4 rounds
So now though the Breach still does more damage technically, I regret getting it since the dmg/sec isn't as high ... maybe that's the point of the stats, I just thought all AR where the same in the end, just breach is best mid to long range, normal AR was better for close range (not better then, but comparable to the SMG) and single shot where for long to mid range in that order.
Just another thing to adapt to I guess =/
Well there's still a raging debate over whether or not the hit boxes are better or worse. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:37:00 -
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fix hit detection then we can really start balancing guns tbh |
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Ronin Odachi
38th Joint Tactical Command
127
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:17:00 -
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I've used the BAR a bit on this build, and I think they did well bringing it into line. It definitely was OP before; there was no point in using anything else. Now it's still solid, but not the be-all-end-all of AR's. |
MoneyHoes CarsNClothes
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:25:00 -
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I think someone missed the point of a "breach" rifle...  I dont even know if any of you mentioned its hip fire accuracy. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:52:00 -
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Breach AR's are terrible and the burst rifle needs to be a 3 shot burst. |
Ryan Martel
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:55:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:fix hit detection then we can really start balancing guns tbh
Yes! God yes, hit detection first! |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:58:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Breach AR's are terrible and the burst rifle needs to be a 3 shot burst.
Says who? I can land most of the burst ars rounds on target |
MoneyHoes CarsNClothes
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.08.20 07:25:00 -
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Don't worry i'll show you all how to use breach rifle ... as soon as i can afford one. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:00:00 -
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they seriously need to fix the hit detection now i never had a problem withit before thi build but now i shoot a guy point blank all the shots hit his body and only like 10 out of 48 register so now i have to reload and suprise hes in a scout suit with rediculous repping abilities where he went from like 1 health no shields back to full in the time it took me to reload. |
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