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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:12:00 -
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I have been waiting for this most wonderful day.
I had a feeling it would go down like this.
There were so many threads going back as far as I can remember about how this was OP and that was OP and some brave souls tried to say that the market and actual (since until now we have been getting inflated sp bonuses) sp reward with passive sp gain would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field...
But no, now that we are getting closer to how the game might actually play out in general release, it's all "Boo, hoo. Where's my stuff I used to not even have to work for? Where's my level five skill after one day of grinding?"
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha. Suck it up. This is much more like the real deal. No more milk and cookies.
edit* and now, now that we all have to fight in the grunt gear, people are even using the same "new player" argument that they used against all the wonderful gear choices, to defend bigger SP bonuses?!?!
That is: If new players can't get and run the best gear with little or no effort they will not stick with the game.
It used to be: if new players are killed by advanced gear they will get frustrated and won't stick with the game.
So what is it gonna be? Huh?
Too funny. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:40:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:
This could ultimately cause camping as people wont want to risk losing much; as even if just 2-3 simple items like that, can easily make a round go negative. This new market-ISK economy is really restricting the player base for ISK & testing purposes.
They put in new weapon variants for items, along w/ modules, etc ; yet now it is quite hard to actually use them regularly to give FEEDBACK
so yeah, continue on; just needed to add that stuff now
But that isn't the game's fault. That part about maybe players will start camping. That is like buying a really sharp outfit for some special event to really impress all your friends and co-workers then spending the whole night sitting in the car in the parking lot because you are sure to spill wine on yourself during dinner. And then blaming the meal or the fact that you got invited to a function.
Also, I and others have argued that the market and contract award cost vs. risk dynamic in this game could be used to effectively balance out battles for new players so they did not have to run up against and die at the hands of Proto Gear toting FPS wizards their first few forays into the game.
This thread has proven that theory correct to some degree. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:13:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Summary of what Aighun wrote:
That's right! We want the game to be Onerous work! Sweat and blood! so that when we come home from work we can play something that's even more strenuous than work itself!
.... wait what?... seriously kid? There has to be some kind of "fun" in the game or else its not qualified to be a "game".
Can't tell if responding to my quote, talking to yourself, or responding to misinterpretation of my post in thread... ok, jk.
But about that GǪ summaryGǪnope, you got that completely wrong. I was saying that beta testers developed a completely slanted view of what the skill and gear progression would be like based on 4X hyper inflation. So what I am saying is that we got spoiled. And anyone that is crying because they haven't already earned enough SP to fight in top tier gear or can't earn enough ISK per battle to fight in higher level gear must have missed the endless, let me repeat that, endless and repetitive threads about how unbalanced it was for players in higher tier gear to be hanging around killing new players in low level gear and that such an imbalance would drive away anyone who picked it up and cause the game to fail.
And now it seems like people are saying that if players aren't served the good stuff on a silver platter with a hefty side of extra ISK at the DUST 514 diner then they will up and leave without ordering desert. Or something.
And it is always the same darn thing. Kick yourself in the ass and do three cartwheels through a flaming hoop of cheese or the new players will get bored and leave. Paint the walls with bottle of toenail polish tied to a cat's tail or the new players will not have fun and leave. And the game will fail! Or whatever "the sky is falling" game fail example you want to pick.
No one is forcing anyone to play in gear that is more expensive than they can afford. If anyone is making the beta "work" then it is you, if you feel like the game is work. That is. I have a ton of ISK saved up and have been having fun with a few different fittings. If a player can't have fun unless they are in the best possible suit on what, day two, of the new build the fault lies with that player and there is nothing anyone can do to help them.
Also, I find playing in militia gear to be less work, more relaxing, than playing in the more expensive fittings. It allows me to kick back and get killed with no regrets.
Many people have touted EVE as a game of consequences. That is part of what drew me in to DUST 514. Yes, I will admit to being one of those masochistic console gamers that has sunk untold hours into onerous and punishing games like Dark Souls. I dig that kind of investment and reward. So though I do not want the game to be work (why I often don't bother to plug in mic, I spend all day trying to motivate folks to tackle objectives and sometimes I would rather punch myself in the face than try to group problem solve outside of the job so yeah, I can relate) I do want it to be rewarding.
And I really don't want the game to be a cheese puff shooter. I want there to be risk. I want to feel like I've earned something when I finally make it good as a merc. Don't see how that happened without at least a little work.
If you can figure out an easy way for me to always win chess, please let me know. Also looks like I will have to turn on mic more, work with squad to get squad bonus points. Poop. Ah well. Here goes nothing.
TL;DR Where did that oldest player thread go? Have to post there now. Think someone just called me "kid". |
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