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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:56:00 -
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Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Viewing the server determines its value of on or off. Check Schr+¦dinger's cat. Lol thats what I look at when servers are down lol
I never understood the concept of Schrodinger's cat from a philosophical perspective. I understand that it can be one or the other until you check, but it certainly can't be both at the same time. The concepts of life and death are contradictory, meaning something can't be an instance of both at the same time.
It would be like saying it's both raining and not raining outside at the same time in the same place--it's literally impossible based on definitions alone. |
Suanar Daranaus
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:57:00 -
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Server is DOWN
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Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:57:00 -
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Dane Stark wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:From the wiki "Burden of proof is also an important concept in the public arena of ideas. Assuming both sides have agreed to reasoned discourse." when has a game forum ever been "reasoned discourse"? No reasoned discourse so no need for burden of proof however you could use quantum entanglement. Viewing the server determines its value of on or off. Check Schr+¦dinger's cat. Lol thats what I look at when servers are down lol Schr+¦dinger implies multiverse [as long as you don't look in the box of course]
Right so OP is right the server is up somewhere lol |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:58:00 -
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Oww threads getting interestinz |
Suanar Daranaus
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:58:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Somewhere in the Multiverse
You mean in the Underverse?
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BETA FUKU
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:01:00 -
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Actually, the server is up. only devs on it though it seems..
Singularity Status |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:02:00 -
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Suanar Daranaus wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Somewhere in the Multiverse You mean in the Underverse?
Riddick films are cool but no I ment Multiverse |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:06:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Viewing the server determines its value of on or off. Check Schr+¦dinger's cat. Lol thats what I look at when servers are down lol I never understood the concept of Schrodinger's cat from a philosophical perspective. I understand that it can be one or the other until you check, but it certainly can't be both at the same time. The concepts of life and death are contradictory, meaning something can't be an instance of both at the same time. It would be like saying it's both raining and not raining outside at the same time in the same place--it's literally impossible based on definitions alone.
Yea I dont get get it either. |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:17:00 -
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I understand Schr+¦dinger's cat only to the point that viewing it sets the results. Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. |
Dane Stark
Golgotha Group
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:23:00 -
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Cleetus Merovee wrote:Servers are up my rear end.
shocking |
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:24:00 -
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Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown.
That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut |
Suanar Daranaus
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:27:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut
Untill you open the box, yes! Get it?
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Dane Stark
Golgotha Group
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:29:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut
Their potential exists in the box - you are trying to think of things in a Newtonian model (which means the object has already been realized) - think of it as all the stuff to make any of those things is in the box, but they will come together to form one of the options when someone observes (tests) it |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:31:00 -
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Suanar Daranaus wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut Untill you open the box, yes! Get it?
I understand the individual words, but not the concept. It's impossible based on definitions--did those just stop becoming important when I woke up this morning? |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:34:00 -
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Dane Stark wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut Their potential exists in the box - you are trying to think of things in a Newtonian model (which means the object has already been realized) - think of it as all the stuff to make any of those things is in the box, but they will come together to form one of the options when someone observes (tests) it
It has been realized some cook had to cook the dam meal. I Fracking hate that cat. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:34:00 -
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Dane Stark wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut Their potential exists in the box - you are trying to think of things in a Newtonian model (which means the object has already been realized) - think of it as all the stuff to make any of those things is in the box, but they will come together to form one of the options when someone observes (tests) it
Then I'd probably question the use of the word "is". To say something "is", to me, says it exists as "this" and "not that". If you want to say "their potential", which I'm fine with, then you should use the phrase "could be X, Y or Z" which I'm also fine with. But to say it "is" everything just doesn't make sense to me. I guess if we're using different definitions of "is" then it works out (though we already have words for what you want that definition to be, it's "could be"). |
Kivverg
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:35:00 -
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It's called a waveform. See also; light bubbles, Schrodinger's Cat, etc
Really though if the waitress has to cook your meal something has gone horribly, horribly wrong and we're probably dealing more with the "bizaro" mode of operating reality. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:37:00 -
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Kivverg wrote:It's called a waveform. See also; light bubbles, Schrodinger's Cat, etc
Really though if the waitress has to cook your meal something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
Wait how do wave forms come into this ? Brb off to google light bubbles |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:38:00 -
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It's all quantum theory, it's been well known in the scientific community since the 30's with guys like Einstien and Schrodinger. I just looked it up on Wikipedia a few moths ago cuz I saw something on it on tv. |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:38:00 -
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troll post turned into highly intelligent discussion... Now I've officially seen the most unlikely of events |
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RandomizeUsr
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:38:00 -
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Is server working already? |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:39:00 -
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RandomizeUsr wrote:Is server working already? This really is not the place for those kind of questions |
Kivverg
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:40:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Kivverg wrote:It's called a waveform. See also; light bubbles, Schrodinger's Cat, etc
Really though if the waitress has to cook your meal something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. Wait how do wave forms come into this ?
The box doesn't contain waffles or steak & eggs or pancakes or anything else on the menu. It contains a waveform which, upon observation, resolves into a cat which may or may not have eaten your breakfast. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:40:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:troll post turned into highly intelligent discussion... Now I've officially seen the most unlikely of events
yea I made a thread requesting Magic in Dust and that went of off all strange 2 |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:41:00 -
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Drake Gro'Dar wrote:It's all quantum theory, it's been well known in the scientific community since the 30's with guys like Einstien and Schrodinger. I just looked it up on Wikipedia a few moths ago cuz I saw something on it on tv.
Yea I never was into science that much...I guess that's why I majored in Philosophy. I'm always up for a good discussion though. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:41:00 -
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Kivverg wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Kivverg wrote:It's called a waveform. See also; light bubbles, Schrodinger's Cat, etc
Really though if the waitress has to cook your meal something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. Wait how do wave forms come into this ? The box doesn't contain waffles or steak & eggs or pancakes or anything else on the menu. It contains a waveform which, upon observation, resolves into a cat which ate your breakfast.
Wait so nothing exists unless its observed ?
Edit: and see that cats always up to no good! |
Dane Stark
Golgotha Group
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:43:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Dane Stark wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut Their potential exists in the box - you are trying to think of things in a Newtonian model (which means the object has already been realized) - think of it as all the stuff to make any of those things is in the box, but they will come together to form one of the options when someone observes (tests) it Then I'd probably question the use of the word "is". To say something "is", to me, says it exists as "this" and "not that". If you want to say "their potential", which I'm fine with, then you should use the phrase "could be X, Y or Z" which I'm also fine with. But to say it "is" everything just doesn't make sense to me. I guess if we're using different definitions of "is" then it works out (though we already have words for what you want that definition to be, it's "could be").
could be is fine and you are right - most of the time - these actual science debates are screwy due to lack of common reference but then again, what isnt these days - but a war of semantics. I just want to point out that the concept of every option being calculated (in this case every dish has been created) at some point. So, in the many worlds theory, one of each path exists simultaneously with different outcomes depending on the state of the variables when you observe it or solve it
The answer domain for what's in the box is all states of the menu |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:44:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:troll post turned into highly intelligent discussion... Now I've officially seen the most unlikely of events
Maybe there is hope for the world lol |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
205
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:47:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:troll post turned into highly intelligent discussion... Now I've officially seen the most unlikely of events Well chao wolf , looks like we are no longer in the same Corp anymore , good luck to you |
Kivverg
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:48:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Kivverg wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Kivverg wrote:It's called a waveform. See also; light bubbles, Schrodinger's Cat, etc
Really though if the waitress has to cook your meal something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. Wait how do wave forms come into this ? The box doesn't contain waffles or steak & eggs or pancakes or anything else on the menu. It contains a waveform which, upon observation, resolves into a cat which ate your breakfast. Wait so nothing exists unless its observed ? Edit: and see that cats always up to no good!
Maybe, maybe not.
but the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment isn't meant to apply to the macroscopic universe. It is quite specifically designed as a way of thinking about the way that certain subatomic particles choose the direction of their spin. |
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