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Dane Stark
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:51:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Dusty 420 wrote:You sir should have your finger nails removed and replaced with rubbing alcohol.
I hate you and your family. + 1 Same here
This made me laugh
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Dane Stark
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:55:00 -
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Drake Gro'Dar wrote:From the wiki "Burden of proof is also an important concept in the public arena of ideas. Assuming both sides have agreed to reasoned discourse." when has a game forum ever been "reasoned discourse"? No reasoned discourse so no need for burden of proof however you could use quantum entanglement. Viewing the server determines its value of on or off. Check Schr+¦dinger's cat. Lol thats what I look at when servers are down lol
Schr+¦dinger implies multiverse [as long as you don't look in the box of course] |
Dane Stark
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:23:00 -
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Cleetus Merovee wrote:Servers are up my rear end.
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Dane Stark
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:29:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut
Their potential exists in the box - you are trying to think of things in a Newtonian model (which means the object has already been realized) - think of it as all the stuff to make any of those things is in the box, but they will come together to form one of the options when someone observes (tests) it |
Dane Stark
Golgotha Group
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:43:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Dane Stark wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Drake Gro'Dar wrote:Ask a waitress to surprise you and cook you whatever she wants and put it in a box, now until you open the box any thing on the restaurants menu could be in the box( and the crazy part is they all are) until you open the box then you have seen it so you set the results. It really deals with particles but in a multiverse theory it works on any unknown. That (underlined) would be the part I deny. As you say, it could be anything (on the menu) in the box, but to say it's all of them doesn't make any sense to me. You're saying it's both the vegetarian burger and the chicken sandwich (and everything else on the menu) at the same time? wut Their potential exists in the box - you are trying to think of things in a Newtonian model (which means the object has already been realized) - think of it as all the stuff to make any of those things is in the box, but they will come together to form one of the options when someone observes (tests) it Then I'd probably question the use of the word "is". To say something "is", to me, says it exists as "this" and "not that". If you want to say "their potential", which I'm fine with, then you should use the phrase "could be X, Y or Z" which I'm also fine with. But to say it "is" everything just doesn't make sense to me. I guess if we're using different definitions of "is" then it works out (though we already have words for what you want that definition to be, it's "could be").
could be is fine and you are right - most of the time - these actual science debates are screwy due to lack of common reference but then again, what isnt these days - but a war of semantics. I just want to point out that the concept of every option being calculated (in this case every dish has been created) at some point. So, in the many worlds theory, one of each path exists simultaneously with different outcomes depending on the state of the variables when you observe it or solve it
The answer domain for what's in the box is all states of the menu |
Dane Stark
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:48:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:RandomizeUsr wrote:Is server working already? This really is not the place for those kind of questions
You seriously crack me up man! |
Dane Stark
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:49:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:troll post turned into highly intelligent discussion... Now I've officially seen the most unlikely of events yea I made a thread requesting Magic in Dust and that went of off all strange 2
That was you? HAHAHA |
Dane Stark
Golgotha Group
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Posted - 2012.08.18 03:59:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Dane Stark wrote:could be is fine and you are right - most of the time - these actual science debates are screwy due to lack of common reference but then again, what isnt these days - but a war of semantics. I just want to point out that the concept of every option being calculated (in this case every dish has been created) at some point. So, in the many worlds theory, one of each path exists simultaneously with different outcomes depending on the state of the variables when you observe it or solve it
The answer domain for what's in the box is all states of the menu Well then it seems, even if we do accept the many worlds theory, that the question falls into a sort of equivocation trap. In other words, when we say "possibility X is this and that and that, etc" we're using different definitions of "is". Unless we want that definition to include every possible other world and all events/objects therein. And once we do that, it seems all epistemic (knowledge-based) claims become meaningless, because even once you saw the cat as alive or dead, let's say alive, couldn't you also say the cat is dead (again, if we use the definition of "is" that includes all possible other worlds) because in another world it is, in fact, dead? Once you allow for that, all statements become meaningless since their exact opposite or any other variations would be true too. sort of - but we are not changing the rules [dynamic systems equations] so its not meaningless per se, its more just playing out all possibilities. It gets crazy to think about - that's for sure - but yes - in my model "is" represents the complete "is"
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