DUST Search - Why You Should Fear Orbital Strikes

carl von oppenheimer wrote:

Drommy Hood wrote:

Zekrin Freee wrote:

I'm glad you made some references to the kind of ISK people are making in EVE. Since this latest patch I've found the prices of items quite worrying. Inflation is looking like 10x for all the tanks I've been trying out, and I can't imagine paying for an orbital strike. But if EVE players can make 10s of millions then that makes buying a gun in packs of 100 possible. I was wondering how they could afford us.

Been a while since Iv been in eve. But, the cost of the standard tier 1 BS used to be about 70m. Its a players market though so prices change up and down, but it will float around there generally. The BS is the workhorse but mainly people use the tier 3 ones which are ish 150m. Tech 2 or marauders and black ops are significantly more.

That said though. Remember that our kit lasts a few minutes. Iv had insurance run out on ships before in eve (insurance lasted so many months and paid out so much if you lost your ship) and bare in mind I played that religiously!

Price for a baddon has been near 250mil for quite some time now and same goes for other batteleships, well for anything since they nerfed the drone regions along with "gun mining" and kicked the botters out, some alliances lost 100's of billions in assets gained from botting over night. Twisted

Hence mineral prices are now near "the price you pay to be equal with lvl 4 mission bounties" in other words we have inflation in EvE.

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Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/VM_Mooch/20120816152101.jpg Took this directly from my Eve Online client. For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Before you go and do the math on it, it's rounds are about 12 feet across. Enjoy sleeping at night.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:38:00 - [2] - Quote Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:41:00 - [3] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Tony, you realize they said that UVTs have no effect on contract setups, and that text chat is open and unregulated on all channels, right?
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:41:00 - [4] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Not really. Eve players use other forms of communications for voice comms. I think its text chat that is free across the board.
Aaron Atreides 140	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:42:00 - [5] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Cry more Tony.. your tears are filling in the oceans on each new planet CCP makes.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:42:00 - [6] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. You'd be surprised what a musician does with his money in between shows.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:42:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/VM_Mooch/20120816152101.jpg Took this directly from my Eve Online client. For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Before you go and do the math on it, it's rounds are about 12 feet across. Enjoy sleeping at night. Not to be too much of a downer, but it looks like Destroyers are going to be the first stage of strike capability, given what they said about this Winter's scheduled rebalance.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:45:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/VM_Mooch/20120816152101.jpg Took this directly from my Eve Online client. For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Before you go and do the math on it, it's rounds are about 12 feet across. Enjoy sleeping at night. Not to be too much of a downer, but it looks like Destroyers are going to be the first stage of strike capability, given what they said about this Winter's scheduled rebalance. S'fine - but Siege Weaponry is still on the horizon. I look forward to the pain and woe that will be the result of such on the forums.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:48:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/VM_Mooch/20120816152101.jpg Took this directly from my Eve Online client. For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Before you go and do the math on it, it's rounds are about 12 feet across. Enjoy sleeping at night. Not to be too much of a downer, but it looks like Destroyers are going to be the first stage of strike capability, given what they said about this Winter's scheduled rebalance. S'fine - but Siege Weaponry is still on the horizon. I look forward to the pain and woe that will be the result of such on the forums. Read Templar One? The Revelation was the only Dreadnaught used for that purpose in that novel, but "danger close" for a strike from it's lasers was described as 900 meters. That's probably not the kind of firepower you want to be bringing down anywhere near something you're trying to capture intact, but it'll be great for field-clearing.
Sees-Too-Much 332	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:50:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Rag has six hardpoints, so while it can theoretically have as many as 12 turret models on it only six can be firing. Also, even if dessies are the ones doing the bombardments, that'd still **** up infantry. The largest small projectile turrets are 280mm, or about 11 inches. I wouldn't want that to be shot from space and land on me.

Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:51:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/VM_Mooch/20120816152101.jpg Took this directly from my Eve Online client. For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Before you go and do the math on it, it's rounds are about 12 feet across. Enjoy sleeping at night. Not to be too much of a downer, but it looks like Destroyers are going to be the first stage of strike capability, given what they said about this Winter's scheduled rebalance. Read earlier that sisi has been flooded with desty's on the market so this would tie in. Read ages ago that they were concidering this to help give destroyers a role, and so as not to cost new users out of the whole orbital strike thing. Plus when u think about it, who's gonna wanna be pay'd for an OS by dust players who make like 400k a match. Not people with bs's or tech 2 stuff anyway. running missions or npc hunting is much more profitable. Good npc spawns can give 10,000,000 isk for like 5 mins work. But people with destroyers would expect more like 50k from a mission than 50m. Those are prices WE can pay
Mr Funless Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:54:00 - [12] - Quote I don't think someone smart would really field a titan just to kill some DUSTies that would equate to maybe 5 mil in damage. Besides, if a titan could shoot a planet, it would probably destroy it. :D
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:59:00 - [13] - Quote I wonder if the graphics are going to change, because right now it looks like a star trek episode everyone gets beamed up. And they are just gone.
Khun-Al 135	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:59:00 - [14] - Quote For everyone who hasnt got it yet: UVT gives you the ability to talk to people in the whole universe. You dont need them to talk to players in the orbit.
Zekrin Freee Doomheim 5	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:59:00 - [15] - Quote I'm glad you made some references to the kind of ISK people are making in EVE. Since this latest patch I've found the prices of items quite worrying. Inflation is looking like 10x for all the tanks I've been trying out, and I can't imagine paying for an orbital strike. But if EVE players can make 10s of millions then that makes buying a gun in packs of 100 possible. I was wondering how they could afford us.
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:12:00 - [16] - Quote Zekrin Freee wrote: I'm glad you made some references to the kind of ISK people are making in EVE. Since this latest patch I've found the prices of items quite worrying. Inflation is looking like 10x for all the tanks I've been trying out, and I can't imagine paying for an orbital strike. But if EVE players can make 10s of millions then that makes buying a gun in packs of 100 possible. I was wondering how they could afford us. Been a while since Iv been in eve. But, the cost of the standard tier 1 BS used to be about 70m. Its a players market though so prices change up and down, but it will float around there generally. The BS is the workhorse but mainly people use the tier 3 ones which are ish 150m. Tech 2 or marauders and black ops are significantly more. That said though. Remember that our kit lasts a few minutes. Iv had insurance run out on ships before in eve (insurance lasted so many months and paid out so much if you lost your ship) and bare in mind I played that religiously!
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:20:00 - [17] - Quote Aaron Atreides wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Cry more Tony.. your tears are filling in the oceans on each new planet CCP makes. :D = Crying? What kinda stupid EvEtard are you? Clearly one who doesn't "get it" Yes txt chat works, but if you have time to write home, you probably don't need that strike.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:33:00 - [18] - Quote would like to see if they implement a sponsoring system. Like you put up a little corp and the eve player will sponsor you with better equipment. Cause at the moment i use mainly militia-standard stuff. Well the merc pack scout suit and the raven assault suit (last 1 costs 1200 AUR and is a blueprint aswell) did a good job assisting me to maintain a decent income.
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:40:00 - [19] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: would like to see if they implement a sponsoring system. Like you put up a little corp and the eve player will sponsor you with better equipment. Cause at the moment i use mainly militia-standard stuff. Well the merc pack scout suit and the raven assault suit (last 1 costs 1200 AUR and is a blueprint aswell) did a good job assisting me to maintain a decent income. They will be sponsoring you in a way. They give you a contract, you complete it, they pay you, you buy more expensive stuff
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:56:00 - [20] - Quote Drommy Hood wrote: Zekrin Freee wrote: I'm glad you made some references to the kind of ISK people are making in EVE. Since this latest patch I've found the prices of items quite worrying. Inflation is looking like 10x for all the tanks I've been trying out, and I can't imagine paying for an orbital strike. But if EVE players can make 10s of millions then that makes buying a gun in packs of 100 possible. I was wondering how they could afford us. Been a while since Iv been in eve. But, the cost of the standard tier 1 BS used to be about 70m. Its a players market though so prices change up and down, but it will float around there generally. The BS is the workhorse but mainly people use the tier 3 ones which are ish 150m. Tech 2 or marauders and black ops are significantly more. That said though. Remember that our kit lasts a few minutes. Iv had insurance run out on ships before in eve (insurance lasted so many months and paid out so much if you lost your ship) and bare in mind I played that religiously! Price for a baddon has been near 250mil for quite some time now and same goes for other batteleships, well for anything since they nerfed the drone regions along with "gun mining" and kicked the botters out, some alliances lost 100's of billions in assets gained from botting over night. Hence mineral prices are now near "the price you pay to be equal with lvl 4 mission bounties" in other words we have inflation in EvE.

Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:03:00 - [21] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: Drommy Hood wrote: Zekrin Freee wrote: I'm glad you made some references to the kind of ISK people are making in EVE. Since this latest patch I've found the prices of items quite worrying. Inflation is looking like 10x for all the tanks I've been trying out, and I can't imagine paying for an orbital strike. But if EVE players can make 10s of millions then that makes buying a gun in packs of 100 possible. I was wondering how they could afford us. Been a while since Iv been in eve. But, the cost of the standard tier 1 BS used to be about 70m. Its a players market though so prices change up and down, but it will float around there generally. The BS is the workhorse but mainly people use the tier 3 ones which are ish 150m. Tech 2 or marauders and black ops are significantly more. That said though. Remember that our kit lasts a few minutes. Iv had insurance run out on ships before in eve (insurance lasted so many months and paid out so much if you lost your ship) and bare in mind I played that religiously! Price for a baddon has been near 250mil for quite some time now and same goes for other batteleships, well for anything since they nerfed the drone regions along with "gun mining" and kicked the botters out, some alliances lost 100's of billions in assets gained from botting over night. Hence mineral prices are now near "the price you pay to be equal with lvl 4 mission bounties" in other words we have inflation in EvE. Nasty that's like 40% inflation per year since I last played. Guess that's not helped by burn jita and similar events
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:06:00 - [22] - Quote Hehe, check out the diablo3 inflation. That's what happens without an economist. The economy is the most impressive feature in EvE from my perspective.
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:01:00 - [23] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/VM_Mooch/20120816152101.jpg Took this directly from my Eve Online client. For the record, a Ragnarok can field 7-8 of these. On each side of the ship. Before you go and do the math on it, it's rounds are about 12 feet across. Enjoy sleeping at night. Seriously? I've been hit by an orbital strike.. was curious about its power. it took 7 seconds to kill me, and I was in Militia gear... Now... you're going to try to fire 7-8 of those at the same spot? good luck. That might dent a tank.
Terram Nenokal BetaMax. 115	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:09:00 - [24] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: That might dent a tank. You MIGHT be playing a beta. On topic: Currently the orbital strikes are just functional to the point that you can call them. CCP has also mentioned a few times that orbital strikes (shot from the war barge) are very different from orbital bombardment (shot from Eve players).
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:16:00 - [25] - Quote Ok check it out guys... This is my theory based on some things I've heard or w/e.. There's going to be some battles you'll experience OB where a corporation has gained the upper hand in the space battle and the OBs are going to rain down because the corporation has all their stuff worked out that includes multiple mercs on the ground with OB calling capability and multible OBers that are in place because the opposing could not destroy them because of whats going on in the space battle. Suddenly when the opposing OBers are destroyed because of a change in the space battle things will calm down or so there are many possibilties here we just don't really know yet. Not every battle are the EVE pilots going to have OB capability it all depends on where the battle is taking place in the galaxy. Now some EVE players assume there just goona fly mulitbox of destroyers on their very own and solo OB us, that's very unlikely because the destroyes have to travel through null space and are not fitted for anything but OB there gonna get smashed by pirates that have nothing to do with planetary AI, the pirates have their own agendas. The solo EVE player can't just waltz thru null space with one or multiple destroyers without an escort, their stupid for assuming that but it could happen on a rare chance. Nothing is absolute here. You have vast sections of relatively empty null sec space in EVE where there are smaller corps are just mainly pirates and nullbears (people risking to PVE in the null sec zone) in these areas your not gonna get hammered by OB like say in the Great Wilderlands but in an area such as Delve you might see ridiculous matches where the planet is razed with OB strikes because of the industrial giants at war with each other, if your fighting near one of these giants base of operations and they are your corps enemy you could witness what looks to be unfair but remember there are many places in EVE and nothing stays the same for ever it's constantly changing depending on whats going on in the overall game.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:33:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Tony, you realize they said that UVTs have no effect on contract setups, and that text chat is open and unregulated on all channels, right? i would LOL if you were to type orbital coordinates while in battle with your ds3 LOLOLOLOLOL
Peter Hanther Dead Six Initiative 39	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:57:00 - [27] - Quote EnIgMa99 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Tony, you realize they said that UVTs have no effect on contract setups, and that text chat is open and unregulated on all channels, right? i would LOL if you were to type orbital coordinates while in battle with your ds3 LOLOLOLOLOL No need, you paint the target ingame, then they get the target. all they have to type is its 4 character password. 4 letters too much for you?
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:58:00 - [28] - Quote If they get kill mails for OBing I dont think we will have to be paying much at all.. hell some of them will do it for free if thats the case
Arborius Veredus 31	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:11:00 - [29] - Quote Peter Hanther wrote: EnIgMa99 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Enjoy not being able to call them because no one buys UVT :D EvE players should be up in arms about that. Tony, you realize they said that UVTs have no effect on contract setups, and that text chat is open and unregulated on all channels, right? i would LOL if you were to type orbital coordinates while in battle with your ds3 LOLOLOLOLOL No need, you paint the target ingame, then they get the target. all they have to type is its 4 character password. 4 letters too much for you? Not to mention that you can just plug in a cheap plug-and-play USB keyboard so that you don't have to deal with the worthless virtual keyboard.
Rohnan Senkusha Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 40	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:13:00 - [30] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Seriously? I've been hit by an orbital strike.. was curious about its power. it took 7 seconds to kill me, and I was in Militia gear... Now... you're going to try to fire 7-8 of those at the same spot? good luck. That might dent a tank. The ones we have now are the warbarge's strikes, the weakest of all. just wait... you'll see

Rohnan Senkusha Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 40	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:15:00 - [31] - Quote fail double post
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:23:00 - [32] - Quote Rohnan Senkusha wrote: Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Seriously? I've been hit by an orbital strike.. was curious about its power. it took 7 seconds to kill me, and I was in Militia gear... Now... you're going to try to fire 7-8 of those at the same spot? good luck. That might dent a tank. The ones we have now are the warbarge's strikes, the weakest of all. just wait... you'll see I'm waiting for the Orbital Emplacements to see how well they blast EVE ships out of the sky. Its like people completely forget that the strikes are not a one-way deal.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:26:00 - [33] - Quote Ground based doomsday weapon pls :D "pop".
Rohnan Senkusha Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 40	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:29:00 - [34] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Rohnan Senkusha wrote: Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Seriously? I've been hit by an orbital strike.. was curious about its power. it took 7 seconds to kill me, and I was in Militia gear... Now... you're going to try to fire 7-8 of those at the same spot? good luck. That might dent a tank. The ones we have now are the warbarge's strikes, the weakest of all. just wait... you'll see I'm waiting for the Orbital Emplacements to see how well they blast EVE ships out of the sky. Its like people completely forget that the strikes are not a one-way deal. ghaa damn it! completely forgot you can brow up dreads... not fair
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:49:00 - [35] - Quote Going to be interesting to see how targeting works for the ground based defences or if it's completely random.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 212	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:54:00 - [36] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Rohnan Senkusha wrote: Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Seriously? I've been hit by an orbital strike.. was curious about its power. it took 7 seconds to kill me, and I was in Militia gear... Now... you're going to try to fire 7-8 of those at the same spot? good luck. That might dent a tank. The ones we have now are the warbarge's strikes, the weakest of all. just wait... you'll see I'm waiting for the Orbital Emplacements to see how well they blast EVE ships out of the sky. Its like people completely forget that the strikes are not a one-way deal. yea I get the feeling that those things will be the reason that dust players hire us and not strictly for sovereignty. Im thinking some thing along the lines of sov structures will be on planets and while you could take the structure with OCs active, It would be cheaper and less risky to pay 1b isk for mercenaries to take the OC offline then to leave it up and risk losing a cap and several BSs.


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