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Laz Ulian Sol
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:39:00 -
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I've been trying to work out a lot of the inequities with the whole pricing scheme lately. Before you keep reading I fully understand the prices as they are now will change. I'm just trying to make sense of things as they stand now. Also this is focusing on the HAV, but I understand how overused they were last build and I'd like to hopefully see a new mid point between the crazy price hike and the menace status they had. Anyways, on to the groundwork.
First there is this:
Madrugar:
200,000 ISK
Shield: 900
Armor: 2900
PG: 2555
CPU: 210
Low slots: 5
High slots: 2
Surya:
1,227,600 ISK
Shield: 900
Armor: 3480
PG: 2540
CPU: 235
Low slots: 5
High slots: 3
For 1,027,600 more ISK you get
Armor: 580
CPU: 25
High slots: 1
For 1,027,600 more ISK you lose
PG: 15
Now that doesn't seem quite right to me that such a huge increase in price leads to less than the addition of a 60mm armor plate (8,000 ISK for 680hp) and a CPU enhancer (71,800). Granted you are gaining a high slot; but on an armor tank surya that doesn't mean much at the moment. Of course you'll argue you're paying for these modules to essentially be built into the base model while conserving PG and CPU loss...Well how does that built in functionality account for the rest of the cost being around 947,800 ISK? Is that the cost of the additional high slot and two unseen used up low slots?
Okay for a moment let's look at the other vehicles we have available. I'll stick with Gallente.
LAV:
Methana:
40,000 ISK
Shield: 335
Armor: 1425
PG: 280
CPU: 120
Low slots: 3
High slots: 2
Limbus:
84,000 ISK
Shield: 435
Armor: 1855
PG: 310
CPU: 124
Low slots: 3
High slots: 3
Special: Built-in Infantry Remote Repair
For 44,000 more ISK you get
Shield: 100
Armor: 430
PG: 30
CPU: 4
High slots: 1
Built-in Infantry Remote Repair
For 44,000 more ISK you lose
44,000 ISK (lol)
Dropship:
Grimsnes:
220,000 ISK
Shield: 700
Armor: 1700
PG: 545
CPU: 165
Low slots: 4
High slots: 2
Prometheus:
461,920 ISK
Shield: 700
Armor: 1900
PG: 380
CPU: 140
Low slots: 4
High slots: 2
Special: Built-in CRU
For 241,920 more ISK you get
Armor: 200
Built-in CRU
For 241,920 more ISK you lose
PG: 165
CPU: 25
Now, firstly, in comparison the price increase for an HAV upgrade is six times the level below it. The LAV and dropship are two times the level below them. Let's look at the percentage gains in just the armor between the vehicle classes under the same faction.
HAV Standard -> HAV Marauder
2900 ->> 3480; a 20% increase. (2900 * .20 = 580)
LAV Standard -> LAV Logistics
1425 -> 1855; a 30% increase. (1425 * .3018 = 430)
Dropship Standard -> Dropship Logistics
1700 -> 1900; a 12% increase. (1700 * .1176 = 200)
Does this seem fair? I'm perfectly willing to believe that an HAV is already on the standard tier maxed out armor wise; but how does an LAV that is already gaining on just about all other stats and getting a built in low powered remote rep get a larger armor increase than an HAV does? If anything it should be lower for all the improvements percentage wise. A dropship getting the lowest out of all three makes sense at least. Also looking at the numbers themselves as they relate to the vehicle classes the increases in armor are clearly respective of their class.
Now I was perfectly fine with how tanks were last build, and the price increased proposed along with them. If all the stats were the same with the huge increase in price I could honestly see that as being fair (if anything 1.5 million would of been fair); but as it is now there are so many loses with not enough gains to make up for the price. Especially since the gains in other vehicle classes is clear and defined.
Also, minor note I've noticed, how is it that a Breach Forge Gun does 2520 direct damage for 110,040 ISK and the best Railgun damage wise does 2055 direct damage for 466,440 ISK? I'm paying for the packaging aren't I?
Of course it's all still beta, it could easily change tomorrow. I cant wait till market integration. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:06:00 -
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All too cheep if you ask me. |
Laz Ulian Sol
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
187
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:28:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:All too cheep if you ask me.
Technically I agree if the tanks matched the price in someway. I'm all for the price increase just not a price increase without at least a scaled gain in some way. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:31:00 -
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At this point, it's very expensive. I can't barely use my loadouts. Probably, because it's a beta and EVE contracts can pay more ISK than what we currently have. |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:31:00 -
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Breach forge gun immobilizes the player while charged/charging |
Laz Ulian Sol
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
187
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Posted - 2012.08.17 01:33:00 -
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To be clear, I'm not complaining about the price itself.
I'm complaining that the price doesn't reflect a fair upgrade from the tier below it. The incentive is gone.
The price encourages people to make a lower tier work as it's cost effective, but if there isn't a fair sense of upgrade for an extra million ISK, then there's no point in using it, and we'll still have tank spamming of just gunloggi's and madrugar's.
I want diversity. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.17 01:36:00 -
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once the market becomes player run its probably only going to get more expensive. |
Carilito
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.08.17 01:39:00 -
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The prices will be fluid eventually and will be set by supply and demand. |
Primus Core
Brimstone Tactical
Covert Intervention
22
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Posted - 2012.08.17 02:07:00 -
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Carilito wrote:The prices will be fluid eventually and will be set by supply and demand.
What this guy says. The market will change drastically once it gets opened up to EVE and we're able to produce our own goods. However, I do see where the OP is coming from.
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