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Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:34:00 -
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Just wondering what type of tank it is. I know Sagaris is a Shield Tank, and Surya is Armor. So based on EvE, how would a Black Ops HAV be like? |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:37:00 -
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Imma guess some kind of cloak which would be awesome...... (maybe a lower profile sig and a higher damage modifier?) I'm also going to guess it'll be 1 step up from marauders and require lvl 4 or 5 of the HAV skill |
Sin3 DeusNomine
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:38:00 -
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Well a black ops ship in eve is one of the bigger ships out there.
they focus on cloaking/ewar/creating covert cryo generators
so cloaking is a probability with a little ewar ability maybe. |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:41:00 -
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The tank I will own every other tank in. They will never see me coming, literally.
It's a tank that can cloak (Stated in a fanfest video) and that is suited to my playstyle. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:42:00 -
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Black Ops battleships in eve can cloak and have the capacity to make portals alowing other cloaking style ships to jump to another system via a covert cyno (like a becon but a sneaky one).
Doh took to long to post an already got ya answer. |
Demonic Chaos
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:44:00 -
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Black ops ships in eve is a t2 battleship that takes about 4-5 monthes to fly about 1 year once all other skills needed are added in It is a t2 which in dust is prototype so assuming is similar would need hav lvl 5 plus some other skills to use |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:47:00 -
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Demonic Chaos wrote:Black ops ships in eve is a t2 battleship that takes about 4-5 monthes to fly about 1 year once all other skills needed are added in It is a t2 which in dust is prototype so assuming is similar would need hav lvl 5 plus some other skills to use
I don't see Prototype as T2 - I think it is closer to faction to be honest. The Advanced would the the analog to T2. Think about it - Faction ships trump T2 ships every day of the week and twice on Sunday. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:50:00 -
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it wouldn't necessarily be shield or armor tanked, every faction in eve has a black ops battleship. so they follow the fleet doctrine of their race.
the idea being a larger stealth ship, to bring more punch to an ambush and support the more demanding stealth jump equipment to get a small fleet around undetected. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 02:54:00 -
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People are saying Battleships in EVE, and that's true, but you can get covert ops frigates which have the same role.. which is stealth.
Generally they're suited to being sneaky and give up other benefits of a ship in that class in order to do it. Easier to kill, that sort of thing.
Black Ops tanks won't be stronger than Marauders, just another option if you want sneak more than you want protection. It may not have a 1.5 damage multiplier, it could very well just have a 1.0.
I picture them as the scout of the Tank family, with Marauders being the heavy. Harder to catch, but when you do they die pretty easily.
Great for heavy support in a cloaky group. I want a cloaky dropship and LAV also! |
Sees-Too-Much
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:16:00 -
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I imagine they'd function like BLOPS in EVE, in that they are cloaky and will set up a mobile spawn point that cannot be seen by enemies but that is only accessible to fellow cloakies. |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:23:00 -
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gonna be interesting how they balance this and cloaking in general tbh |
pjster long
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:35:00 -
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spawns black ops troops!!! |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:17:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:gonna be interesting how they balance this and cloaking in general tbh
yeah, cloaking is going to be so powerful, they better get this right. |
Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:03:00 -
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Cloaked vessels in Eve cannot have anything come within 2,500m of them or they get decloaked. Will be interesting to see how they do it in Dust  |
Grit Breather
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:39:00 -
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You guys are probably missing the point.
The patch notes said Black Ops HAV.
HAV != tank.
My guess is that it's a HAV without a strong offensive capability. Maybe an APC version of the HAV with special abilities. |
Majin Vejeta
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:43:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:You guys are probably missing the point.
The patch notes said Black Ops HAV.
HAV != tank.
My guess is that it's a HAV without a strong offensive capability. Maybe an APC version of the HAV with special abilities.
I hope it's something like this. A cloaked tank..... |
Grit Breather
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:45:00 -
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Majin Vejeta wrote:Grit Breather wrote:You guys are probably missing the point.
The patch notes said Black Ops HAV.
HAV != tank.
My guess is that it's a HAV without a strong offensive capability. Maybe an APC version of the HAV with special abilities. I hope it's something like this. A cloaked tank.....
You're missing my point. Not a tank, a HAV with a non-tank role. |
Majin Vejeta
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:51:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Majin Vejeta wrote:Grit Breather wrote:You guys are probably missing the point.
The patch notes said Black Ops HAV.
HAV != tank.
My guess is that it's a HAV without a strong offensive capability. Maybe an APC version of the HAV with special abilities. I hope it's something like this. A cloaked tank..... You're missing my point. Not a tank, a HAV with a non-tank role.
No, I get it. I just was thinking aloud what a cloaked tank would be like on the field. My apologies. |
Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:24:00 -
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Cloaks and jump portals. I'd love to teabag some infantry by portalling on them xD |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:51:00 -
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A few things about black ops in EvE:
a) there are more titans then black ops in EvE
b) back ops fit to only one thing (except widow because of ECM bonus)
c) that is bridging and getting fuelled after bridging anything because of tiny fuel bay ...
d) they have less fitting space and combat capability then a regular T1 battle ship
e) they cost the price of a carrier
f) did I mention that they have 0 uses aside from black ops jump bridges ?
e) they cannot use a covert ops cloak (so they are a sitting duck in a cloak)
So in other words a black ops in EvE is a failed construct that hardly anyone uses.
So I have hopes that CCP will come up with a better idea then a cloaky tank that cannot move while cloaked, can't fit proper guns or tank and costs a fortune to field.
g) Forgot to mention that black ops jump range is also pitiful (2ly) thus making it even more useless then it could possibly be otherwise. |
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Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:12:00 -
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Black ops hav will use same model as other hav, so they will be tanks. The marauders are the proto assault hav, the black ops the proto scout/logi.
my best guess at black ops hav
Will be able to use cloak, maybe not in this build, but eventually.
no damage bonus, that's what marauders are for.
I heard reverse cru, some kind of jump bridge(teleport) maybe.
Will probably have bonus to ew module once added(scouts and the top tier dropships will also get bonus)
same tier as sagaris/surya, but more of a support then a direct combat tank. |
Grit Breather
BetaMax.
660
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:12:00 -
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Ten-Sidhe wrote:Black ops hav will use same model as other hav, so they will be tanks. The marauders are the proto assault hav, the black ops the proto scout/logi.
my best guess at black ops hav
Will be able to use cloak, maybe not in this build, but eventually.
no damage bonus, that's what marauders are for.
I heard reverse cru, some kind of jump bridge(teleport) maybe.
Will probably have bonus to ew module once added(scouts and the top tier dropships will also get bonus)
same tier as sagaris/surya, but more of a support then a direct combat tank.
HAV's are only tanks when they have a large SHOOTING turret. Who said we won't get a large HAV module that isn't a turret? |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:09:00 -
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The blackops HAV IS a tank variant.
They will have less base hitpoints and damage than a maurauder.
They will have the ability to send any passenger to any valid spawnpoint for your team (CRU, Default spawn, Objective, or drop uplink) But this ability might not be included in this build.
They will not be able to cloak. Sorry! (At least, not for now.) |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
242
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:04:00 -
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My guess is that it wont cloak, I recon it will have some a cru that doesn't have to have space to allow you to spawn in a seat and will drop you next to it or something.
Hence it can get behind enemy lines and then dump our whole team it is so sees fit |
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