DUST Search - SMGs didn't need a buff.

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:

Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die.

heavies have always been able to rock AR's and smg's.

Now it will become more easy mode.

lol everything is a complaint with you.

cant imagine your too happy with the slowing of movement on damage then? im actually kinda excited. itll give more use to support roles and go a long way to aid in the whole "broken hitbox" thing. Im sure its not perfect, but i dont think its as bad as we might think sometimes. Everyone complains about hitboxing, but they never think it might be becaus of a lag spike or something to that effect. (i dont really ever have that problem tho, my college has EXCELLENT speeds.....like military status lolz)

and goddamnit omni, give me those goddamn cookies

1. I will post every positive thing about this game for you that I can think of
-it has potential
2. At this rate CCP will take all movement out of the game before release.
3.hitbox is fine when someone is completely still
hit detection is crap in the sense that you have to lead your shots
4. I told you what you have to do to get cookies

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Mmkk333 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 229	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:12:00 - [1] - Quote I already get roflstomped by strafing scouts with SMGs, and now they can roflstomp me from even further away. Am I the only one that feels this way?
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:27:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah, well that's basically the only thing a Scout can do. It takes about 7 shots max to kill a Scout.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:57:00 - [3] - Quote The base effective range of the SMG is dismal at best, so a little bump would be nice. Dont get your panties in the bunch before actually seeing how much of a boost it is. An "increase" can be anything above a 0%, so if they butf it by 1% are you going to be upset? 5%? How much of an increase before its unacceptable? Short of the shotgun, the SMG has the worse range in the game, I'm sure you can find some weapon that'll out-range them.
JAG ONE 97	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:09:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The base effective range of the SMG is dismal at best, so a little bump would be nice. Dont get your panties in the bunch before actually seeing how much of a boost it is. An "increase" can be anything above a 0%, so if they butf it by 1% are you going to be upset? 5%? How much of an increase before its unacceptable? Short of the shotgun, the SMG has the worse range in the game, I'm sure you can find some weapon that'll out-range them. yo dude.. the SMG is supposed to be short range. it's a sidearm. but if the hit detection gets fixed then Scouts will be toast, so more worried about SMG heavies..
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:12:00 - [5] - Quote Also needs a DPS buff at least cos atm its super hard to kill like anything with the SMG. Give it a 4x scope also and an underslung nade launcher. Also nerf the the Creodon AR ..ow wait lolololooololooooolooolollololoolol crymoar call a wambulance!
Oswald Banecroft II Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:28:00 - [6] - Quote JAG ONE wrote: yo dude.. the SMG is supposed to be short range. it's a sidearm. but if the hit detection gets fixed then Scouts will be toast, so more worried about SMG heavies.. A P90 has a maximum range of about 1,969 yards. It's a sub-machine gun. Just sayin' is all.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:40:00 - [7] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Also needs a DPS buff at least cos atm its super hard to kill like anything with the SMG. Give it a 4x scope also and an underslung nade launcher. Also nerf the the Creodon AR ..ow wait lolololooololooooolooolollololoolol crymoar call a wambulance! i laughed. really
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:13:00 - [8] - Quote JAG ONE wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The base effective range of the SMG is dismal at best, so a little bump would be nice. Dont get your panties in the bunch before actually seeing how much of a boost it is. An "increase" can be anything above a 0%, so if they butf it by 1% are you going to be upset? 5%? How much of an increase before its unacceptable? Short of the shotgun, the SMG has the worse range in the game, I'm sure you can find some weapon that'll out-range them. yo dude.. the SMG is supposed to be short range. it's a sidearm. but if the hit detection gets fixed then Scouts will be toast, so more worried about SMG heavies.. I'm not saying it should not be short range, I'm saying that as it stands its REALLY short range and easily outclassed by most weapons in terms of range. A slight increase to the effective range would not be inappropriate. Also with your logic about the whole sidearm thing...scrambler pistol has badass range and accuracy, so that argument is invalid.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:26:00 - [9] - Quote Just so everyone here understands.....comparing a smg to a pistol is pointless. they are different weapons. Do you compare a forge gun to a hmg? They are both heavy weapons, yes? point proven. anyway, i feel the changes to the smg are nice and needed. Assault rifles are better anyway, and if you complain about smg's being better close range or some other uninformed complaint, stop using a creo and switch to a AR meant for close range with a higher ROF. Thats why there is usually more than one type of each weapon.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:38:00 - [10] - Quote As an SMG user, I've had to max out pistols just to have a sidearm that can hit at more than 20m away.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:43:00 - [11] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: As an SMG user, I've had to max out pistols just to have a sidearm that can hit at more than 20m away. ive put points into the sharpshooter for my heavy and it does help a bit for smg's. only problem is they still have a short range. People dont care tho and they still complain cause it doesnt fit their play style.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:45:00 - [12] - Quote Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:47:00 - [13] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die. heavies have always been able to rock AR's and smg's.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:48:00 - [14] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die. heavies have always been able to rock AR's and smg's. Now it will become more easy mode.
Mmkk333 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 229	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:04:00 - [15] - Quote You guys realize this was a troll post right...? I wrote because this was practically the only thing that wasn't posted about when precursor notes came out... On a side note this was completely serious. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30016&find=unread
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:11:00 - [16] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die. heavies have always been able to rock AR's and smg's. Now it will become more easy mode. lol everything is a complaint with you. cant imagine your too happy with the slowing of movement on damage then? im actually kinda excited. itll give more use to support roles and go a long way to aid in the whole "broken hitbox" thing. Im sure its not perfect, but i dont think its as bad as we might think sometimes. Everyone complains about hitboxing, but they never think it might be becaus of a lag spike or something to that effect. (i dont really ever have that problem tho, my college has EXCELLENT speeds.....like military status lolz) and goddamnit omni, give me those goddamn cookies
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:57:00 - [17] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die. heavies have always been able to rock AR's and smg's. Now it will become more easy mode. lol everything is a complaint with you. cant imagine your too happy with the slowing of movement on damage then? im actually kinda excited. itll give more use to support roles and go a long way to aid in the whole "broken hitbox" thing. Im sure its not perfect, but i dont think its as bad as we might think sometimes. Everyone complains about hitboxing, but they never think it might be becaus of a lag spike or something to that effect. (i dont really ever have that problem tho, my college has EXCELLENT speeds.....like military status lolz) and goddamnit omni, give me those goddamn cookies 1. I will post every positive thing about this game for you that I can think of -it has potential 2. At this rate CCP will take all movement out of the game before release. 3.hitbox is fine when someone is completely still hit detection is crap in the sense that you have to lead your shots 4. I told you what you have to do to get cookies
Absol Evoxazon Hikahotaru 28	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:59:00 - [18] - Quote i smell NERF Tm
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:01:00 - [19] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Lol now people with heavy armor can rock creos and OP SMGs. It's gonna be so funny a good enough player will never die. heavies have always been able to rock AR's and smg's. Now it will become more easy mode. lol everything is a complaint with you. cant imagine your too happy with the slowing of movement on damage then? im actually kinda excited. itll give more use to support roles and go a long way to aid in the whole "broken hitbox" thing. Im sure its not perfect, but i dont think its as bad as we might think sometimes. Everyone complains about hitboxing, but they never think it might be becaus of a lag spike or something to that effect. (i dont really ever have that problem tho, my college has EXCELLENT speeds.....like military status lolz) and goddamnit omni, give me those goddamn cookies 1. I will post every positive thing about this game for you that I can think of -it has potential 2. At this rate CCP will take all movement out of the game before release. 3.hitbox is fine when someone is completely still hit detection is crap in the sense that you have to lead your shots 4. I told you what you have to do to get cookies your really gonna hate EW omni lol.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:04:00 - [20] - Quote what's EW

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:10:00 - [21] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: what's EW electronic warfare. statis webifiers, capacitor drainers, n other good stuff that im not gonna type cause i gotta go to the bathroom lol. anyway, webifiers are basically stuns. HUGE integral part of EVE that CCP is bringing to Dust as well. Just part of how CCP does things. Like i said, based on what i know about you, you wont like them. Im not looking forward to webifiers either, makes my job as a pilot a lot harder.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:12:00 - [22] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: what's EW Electronic Warfare This, for example: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Stasis_webifier Assuming it will work on infantry, mobility would be greatly hindered.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:22:00 - [23] - Quote So basically more skill compensators?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:22:00 - [24] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: So basically more skill compensators? how about realizing its an INTEGRAL part of the game.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:23:00 - [25] - Quote electronic warfare In eve, jammers make it so you can't shoot, disruptor that make your accuracy plummet, designators that make your hit box bigger, dampners that reduce sensor range so you can't see the guy right next to you, webs that reduce your speed, neut & nos that make active modules not work. All also have counters. In real life, all the eavedropping, radar jamming, emp, chaff, radar/thermal decoys, ect...and all the counters to them.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:25:00 - [26] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: So basically more skill compensators? quite tired of people slandering anything that isnt two guys with AR's running as fast as they can shooting bullets.....to me, that isnt very interesting and anyone can point and click.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:26:00 - [27] - Quote Sitting in an indestructible tank all game seem kind of boring to me.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:30:00 - [28] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Sitting in an indestructible tank all game seem kind of boring to me. thats fine. i also have been doing quite well with my forge gun fitting. Either way, im gonna be laughing pretty hard when all you guys who are so adamant in gun games skillz > life start to get webified. Yes, anyone worth their salt is gonna be good with a gun. Yes, its a huge, significant part of any player's skill and effectiveness. The cool thing about Dust is there is a lot of stuff in this game so you can be more epic than just running around pew pewing.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.11 08:33:00 - [29] - Quote Problem I see with web nades is noobswarms just throwing them at thier own feet and saying bye bye to the milita fit while the Proto guys sit back and duckhunt. Kinda have the same thing in eve wtih goonswarm rifters and yea it works. Saying that tho we dont have unequal team numbers so ...dont even know what I'm saying.
Jak Teston Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 99	Posted - 2012.08.11 10:35:00 - [30] - Quote I mainly used an AV assault fit this build that had a SMG as a sidearm and I didn't really feel the need for a buff. It was a lot of fun luring assault rifle users to follow me around a corner and then blasting their faces at ~2000 dps. Of course in the open field I could only attempt to run for cover, but then again it's my fault for being out in the open. All in all I'd estimate that I got more than half my kills from the SMG, which is a good ratio when you're specialized in using a Swarm Launcher. However, before I make any judgement I'll wait how it turns out. Considering the Swarm Launcher now has limited ammo such fits will have to be more selective about their targets, which means they need to be able to last longer against infantry to be viable. I'm really looking into the combination of the tactical AR with a SMG. Good damage from medium to long ranges from the main weapon plus a SMG that picks up where the tactical can't go might make for a seriously good fit. Add AV grenades and a nanohive and this might be an extremely versatile fit.



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