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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:03:00 -
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1 - to expand upon EVE
2 - Everyone
3 - They arent, but it is a big change to their game. Their used to change tho so dont worry. you are just seeing a small loud minority. That goes both ways.
Right off the bat at release, Dust wont have as much of an impact as EVE will have on us. I dont think people realise that right now. At least for a little while, Dusties are gonna have to be EVE's bitches in the meta game until we get more content put in in the next expansion. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:09:00 -
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EVE productivity will take a big hit based on whether or not they control the planets i believe, but that doesnt mean they "lose" it either. I think they just get a bonus to productivity for having ground control. Orbital strikes and the revers will be there, but the main form of OB usage will be with destroyers, which are freaking cheap.
EVE will handle that market while Dust is still a baby. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:15:00 -
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4447 wrote:it's a good idea for dust 514 on ps3 but i think they're playing with a double edge sword. making eve players happy and ps3 players happy. they should really make ps3 player happy a lot more then eve based players. if they panda to much i think the game will be broke and if they wanted to make eve players happy why didn't put it on pc?
CCP is trying to bring in the console crowd. That doesnt mean they are gonna stray from how they do things and make a COD copy. They are building dust with the same mindset they built EVE with and that wont change, no matter how much console players dont like it. CCP has a very unique way of doing things and thats why they are so successful. Im not defending EVE extremists, but they certainly know how CCP does things more than some console player who has never heard of EVE. Maintaining the meta game from EVE is a huge part of what CCP is trying to do here.
CCP will always side with EVE players since Dust is an expansion upon THAT game, not the other way around.... |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:23:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:4447 wrote:it's a good idea for dust 514 on ps3 but i think they're playing with a double edge sword. making eve players happy and ps3 players happy. they should really make ps3 player happy a lot more then eve based players. if they panda to much i think the game will be broke and if they wanted to make eve players happy why didn't put it on pc? CCP is trying to bring in the console crowd. That doesnt mean they are gonna stray from how they do things and make a COD copy. They are building dust with the same mindset they built EVE with and that wont change, no matter how much console players dont like it. CCP has a very unique way of doing things and thats why they are so successful. Im not defending EVE extremists, but they certainly know how CCP does things more than some console player who has never heard of EVE. Maintaining the meta game from EVE is a huge part of what CCP is trying to do here. CCP will always side with EVE players since Dust is an expansion upon THAT game, not the other way around.... True, but at the same time CCP has said that they want to open New Eden to gamers that don't care about the lore of Eve. That means that CCP will listen, and they do care, about non-Eve player base. CCP won't model themselves after other games, and will do it their own way, but they are trying to make a game that will attract new players - your comment that they don't care about non-Eve players is a fallacy, based on the interviews I've read and watched. After all, they did invite non-Eve players to the beta. This goal of this game is to be a synthesis of two game styles to make something different.
you misunderstood what i said.
i didnt say they dont listen to anyone but EVE players. that is obviously false.
They DO however, intend to stay loyal to everything that made EVE great.
They arent buidling Dust to be "lore-less"
they are putting things into the game that dont require meta game such as e-sports and rogue drones so that if you dont want to take advantage of the meta game, you have somewhere to go. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:25:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:Forlorn would you be willing to give me your own id so I can talk directly to you I have several questions I'd like to ask an Eve player and would rather avoid the trolls, they frequent these forests.
Edit: dang auto correct
id like it if you kept that here, sinc eim interested in what your wanting to talk about.....if people troll thats on them for being douches.....id like to continue this good talk if we can.... |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:32:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:K lurch my big question has to do with some of the things I've read on these forums (sry don't have links) about null sec. First off I've seen several cases of Eve players being adamant about not wanting Dust corps to be able to hold SOV. My questions is why not? If dust corps are going to be the same as Eve corps (which CCP has already said they will) then why limit us?
honestly, im not sure. I dont think they should limit it and i certainly dont think that EVE corporations should have a "higher" level of authority over Dust mercs like that.....
It does make sense tho that they are these huge gods in space where they have ships that are miles long with billions of ISK......and were just dusties on the ground. EVE players are big on lore.....
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:37:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:K lurch my big question has to do with some of the things I've read on these forums (sry don't have links) about null sec. First off I've seen several cases of Eve players being adamant about not wanting Dust corps to be able to hold SOV. My questions is why not? If dust corps are going to be the same as Eve corps (which CCP has already said they will) then why limit us? honestly, im not sure. I dont think they should limit it and i certainly dont think that EVE corporations should have a "higher" level of authority over Dust mercs like that..... It does make sense tho that they are these huge gods in space where they have ships that are miles long with billions of ISK......and were just dusties on the ground. EVE players are big on lore..... but what's to stop mercs from having the same large amount of capital in the long run?
nothing. At least, thats how it SHOULD be. We just dont know yet tho. CCP is still making that aspect of the game. I think that Dusties should be able to hold property, but when your holding a planet like a boss, it doesnt make sense that you can just tell a EVE player to **** off and leave when they could just nuke your planet into space dust in one salvo if they wanted to......again, thats where the lore comes in. These ships have doomsday devices and big ass guns. We have tanks. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:43:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:If they nuked the planet they loss all the resources as well
doesnt change the fact that they could do it |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:49:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:K lurch my big question has to do with some of the things I've read on these forums (sry don't have links) about null sec. First off I've seen several cases of Eve players being adamant about not wanting Dust corps to be able to hold SOV. My questions is why not? If dust corps are going to be the same as Eve corps (which CCP has already said they will) then why limit us? honestly, im not sure. I dont think they should limit it and i certainly dont think that EVE corporations should have a "higher" level of authority over Dust mercs like that..... It does make sense tho that they are these huge gods in space where they have ships that are miles long with billions of ISK......and were just dusties on the ground. EVE players are big on lore..... This is very true - the people that play Eve don't play it so much as live it. If we are betrayed in game, we take it personally. I'm sure other games are like this too, of course. The other part to this is that the CCP uses lore to explain game mechanics. for example (and I could very easily be wrong), do other FPS explain why you can respawn? CCP gave in story reason (cloning technology based on lost technology) for the endless spawns in Dust. In Eve, if you die, you also have a clone that you memories transfer to. You can even voluntarily change to a different clone - used to explain fast travel you see in other games where no explanation exists. I think the drive toward explaining literally everything with lore is what attracts the type of players that play Eve. We are often story based people. Hell, I still tell stories of my adventures to new people I meet - for example remind me to tell you of the time I stole 7 billion ISK worth of gear from some very trusting people...
He understands.
CCP is a very special company. They care about their games and truly try to creat a universe rather than some 50x50 yard battleground that you play in over and over. EVERYTHING has lore and EVERYTHING is reasonably explained. They even write chronicles and stuff to increase the immersion. Try reading the descriptions of all the items in Dust. Its actually really cool.
CCP tried the money grab once like EA and they got crucified for it. They learned their lesson and treat players well. They are just on a higher level than other devs.
With this comes the expectation that game mechanics will follow the lore and that everything would be reasonable, so a foot mobile telling a deathstar captain what's what is a little problematic unless CCP grinds out some new lore.
EVE is all about the meta game, and so will Dust be.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:54:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:Hey lurch if u don't mind posting ur psn let me add you and at a latter date we may get another intelligent discussion going on in a psn chat room
its a secret so dont tell anyone....
PSN: Lurchasaurus
if you dont have a corp, i strongly suggest that you take a look at STB...We are a great corp with a strong base of a lot of the best players in the beta right now and a lot more on the way. We have much of the important stuff under control such as corp structure and leadership and we always win unless we are playing other STB guys. Check out the STB thread, we want guys who give a ****. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:04:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:Hey lurch if u don't mind posting ur psn let me add you and at a latter date we may get another intelligent discussion going on in a psn chat room its a secret so dont tell anyone.... PSN: Lurchasaurus if you dont have a corp, i strongly suggest that you take a look at STB...We are a great corp with a strong base of a lot of the best players in the beta right now and a lot more on the way. We have much of the important stuff under control such as corp structure and leadership and we always win unless we are playing other STB guys. Check out the STB thread, we want guys who give a ****. I'm in, if you'll have me.
absolutely bud, wanna continue this talk on our recruitment thread?
Edit: chao, see ya bud, come check out our recruitment thread as well for some good stuff. |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:09:00 -
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forlorn, btw its the "SVER True Blood" thread |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:QUESTIONS
1: What is the true purpose of Dust (besides making CCP money)?
To expand on the New Eden universe and make it into a fully immersive science fiction simulator of sorts. At least according to CCP back during Fanfest 2010.
2: What gamers is Dust being made for?
According to CCP during Fanfest 2012 and during the E3 presentations, every kind of FPS player. From casuals to hardcore. From grinders to buyers. But still making it balanced while learning their hard lessons from Monoclegate.
3: Why are Eve players so afraid of Dust have a true impact on New Eden?
Just so you know, Eve players (both casual and hardcore types) are often the ones who advocate the "adapt or die" philosophy and are actually preparing themselves for the impact Dust will make. Therefore, your question is moot.
To further expand on my response, I am actually hoping (and this is a far-fetched dream of mine) that one day we get to see merc-on-capsuleer action aboard null-sec outposts. The day I see that is the day I feel like I am in heaven.
sigh......why must i wait |
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Chao Wolf wrote:QUESTIONS
1: What is the true purpose of Dust (besides making CCP money)?
To expand on the New Eden universe and make it into a fully immersive science fiction simulator of sorts. At least according to CCP back during Fanfest 2010.
2: What gamers is Dust being made for?
According to CCP during Fanfest 2012 and during the E3 presentations, every kind of FPS player. From casuals to hardcore. From grinders to buyers. But still making it balanced while learning their hard lessons from Monoclegate.
3: Why are Eve players so afraid of Dust have a true impact on New Eden?
Just so you know, Eve players (both casual and hardcore types) are often the ones who advocate the "adapt or die" philosophy and are actually preparing themselves for the impact Dust will make. Therefore, your question is moot.
To further expand on my response, I am actually hoping (and this is a far-fetched dream of mine) that one day we get to see merc-on-capsuleer action aboard null-sec outposts. The day I see that is the day I feel like I am in heaven. sigh......why must i wait I know, right? But look at it this way. Better to take it slow and avoid much hassles than to take it all at once and then have to backtrack what you did.
ah, the force is strong in this one
lol truth. problem is we have a bunch of people whining about things and rage quitting cause the beta isnt fun or cause Dust does things it was intended to do....sigh |
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